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    Re:your question
    by Anonymous on Thursday January 02 2003, @04:18AM (#10820)
    Yes, DomainBank and Afilias broke their Registry-Registrar Agreement Rules AFTER Afilias's announcement, recognising the problem, on August 15th.

    For example CivilWar.info:

    Domain ID: D70903-LRMS
    Domain Name: CIVILWAR.INFO
    Created On: 20-Aug-2001 15:22:26 UTC
    Expiration Date: 20-Aug-2006 15:22:26 UTC
    Trademark Name: none
    Trademark Date: 2001-08-17
    Trademark Country: none
    Trademark Number: none
    Sponsoring Registrar: Domain Bank, Inc. (R107-LRMS)
    Status: ACTIVE
    Status: LOCKED
    Status: OK
    Registrant ID: C172044-LRMS
    Registrant Name: StrategicDomains.Com L.L.C.
    Registrant Organization: StrategicDomains.Com L.L.C.
    Registrant Street: xxxxxxxx
    Registrant City: xxxxxxxx
    Registrant State/Province: xxxxxxxxx
    Registrant Postal Code: xxxxxxxx
    Registrant Country: xxxxxxxxx
    Registrant Phone: xxxxxxxx
    Registrant Email: xxxxxxx
    Admin ID: C172045-LRMS
    Admin Name: William Lorenz

    Admittedly this particular one has a TM date, but it was mandatory for all FOUR TM fields to be properly filled. Afilias knew this. DomainBank knew this.

    This domain was not allowed to be submitted by DomainBank.

    This domain was not allowed to be registered by Afilias.

    There are 92 more like this, just from this individual customer.

    The rules were flouted for thousands more, presumably because people were desperate for profit.

    Richard Henderson

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    Re:your question
    by Anonymous on Thursday January 02 2003, @05:00AM (#10823)
    Another of the 93 Lorenz Sunrise names submitted by DomainBank after the Afilias announcement of 15th August:

    Domain Name: STURGIS.INFO
    Created On: 2001-AUG-20 15:23:36.0 UTC
    Expiration Date: 2006-AUG-20 15:23:36.0 UTC
    Sponsoring Registrar: 5043-DomainBank

    The rules were broken, even though the industry knew what they were, and even though Afilias had already made their announcement on 15th August.

    They still registered these domains, in breach of their own rules, five days later on 20th August.

    How dumb is that?

    Oh, I forgot, not dumb at all... DomainBank and Afilias were friends, and they were trying to get the hapless Lorenz to part with $15000 for a product they knew they couldn't supply...

    No, not dumb at all

    Though the Afilias Director from Speednames outdid them with the 4981 from Plankenstein... $500,000 for... NOTHING!

    Richard Henderson

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    Re:your question
    by Anonymous on Thursday January 02 2003, @05:07AM (#10824)
    And another...

    Created On: 2001-AUG-20 15:23:06.0 UTC
    Expiration Date: 2006-AUG-20 15:23:06.0 UTC
    Trademark Name: none
    Trademark Date: none
    Trademark Country: none
    Trademark Number: none
    Sponsoring Registrar: 5043-DomainBank
    Status: NEW
    Status: LOCKED
    Status: OK
    Registrant ID: C172154-LRMS
    Registrant Name: StrategicDomains.Com L.L.C.
    Registrant Organization: StrategicDomains.Com L.L.C.
    Registrant Street1: ********
    Registrant Street2:
    Registrant City: *******
    Registrant State/Province: *******
    Registrant Postal Code: *******
    Registrant Country: *******
    Registrant Phone: *******
    Registrant Fax:
    Registrant Email: *******
    Admin ID: C172155-LRMS
    Admin Name: William Lorenz

    They charged him $15000 for a product they couldn't supply. They broke their own rules to do it. Thousands of people lost out as a result of these breaches of the Agreements, but the rule-breaking was going on at the center

    Richard Henderson

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