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    Re: Truth, lies and registry/registrar responsibil
    by Anonymous on Wednesday January 01 2003, @02:04AM (#10795)

    I was also disturbed by the case of Siegfried Langenbach of Joker who seemed to unquestioningly submit 333 Trademark claims, all in his own name.


    Siegfried is very much an "insider" and long-time participant in the ICANN community and its constituencies. His close associations can be tracked by a cursory trawl of mailing list archives and the development of the NewTLD projects


    And yet here we have an informed member of the industry, aware of the Agreements, aware of the rules, submitting SO MANY names which turned out to be fakes, such as the vast majority of these (333 in his own name):


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    Siegfried Langenbach was a Registrar. He had a long involvement in ICANN discussions and mailing lists. He knew the rules. And yet he submitted all these names.


    Afilias had constructed a process which could be abused either from the inside or from the outside. It had none of the checks and safeguards that Moshe Fogel could have put into it. Registrars went ahead even when it was obvious a high level of fraud must be taking place. And Afilias even denied the level of fraud through their spin doctor Roland lePlante, who for a long time denied the scale of the problem to the press.


    History proved him wrong. Even inexperienced amateurs were able to see early on what was going on. The ICANN forums (disregarded as a "joke" by Stuart Lynn) are full of the detail of what was going on. Both ICANN and Afilias ignored the warnings, and did nothing to protect the Landrush customers, even though those customers could have been protected.


    The Agreements were abused, exploited, disregarded, and Afilias (in my view and the view of many) failed to protect legitimate interests and investments made by consumers, who lost out as a result of Afilias's own processes and actions.


    This was an industry-wide scam.




    Richard Henderson


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