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    ICANN was not set up to turn Domain names into Tra
    by rachelmacgregor on Wednesday December 25 2002, @01:50PM (#10713)
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    I say Gerry Anderson has a valid point which is hard to refute...

    ... scores if not hundreds of people all over the world hold trademarks with the word "apple" selling all manner of different things...

    ... millions of people speak the English language and have a native-born right to use their own language, including the word "apple" and can apply for the domain "apple" without any ill-intent whatsoever...

    ... so what gives ONE trademark holder the right to hijack the word in preference to anyone else... does the whole internet put one specific trademark holder first... why should it?...

    ...so Gerry suggests, use the TLD and subdomain to define precisely what a company wants identifying as its own domain space. To use his example:

    ...this gives trademark holders the identifier they need, to identify and differentiate between their product and someone else's...

    ... it leaves the generic words free on a fair basis for anyone who speaks English to use in their domain name...

    ...the dot.reg TLD would accomplish this... this whole debate shows up the way ICANN has given preference to the Trademark lobby at the expense of ordinary people...

    ... so much for the fair distribution of the namespace which ICANN was set up to protect and guarantee...

    ... these fuckers are a laughingstock and they've lost credibility all round the globe - in the process they've cast the United States government in a bad light, and made people realise that the Internet is being run for the sake of Big Business and American vested interests...

    ... how long before other countries start setting up their own roots and by-passing these morons?...

    ... Gerry Anderson is RIGHT to criticise the favoured status given to the Trademark lobby... the Internet does not exist for their sake... it belongs for everyone, big and small, so what the hell gives the right to these people to come barging in and saying, "Sorry, this part of the DNS is ours and ours alone"?...

    ... let alone the discrepancy that there are often scores of companies around the world who use the same generic word as their trademark... a clear .reg name with defining subdomain would be far clearer...

    ... Domain names are NOT trademarks... they are telephone numbers leading to specific information on specific web pages... if Apple Computers have a problem with illegal and false material on a website, they should pursue their grievance through the courts like anyone else... they should NOT claim a right to a generic name as if a domain name was a Trademark which belonged to them and them alone!...

    ...Domains are sequences of characters, that's all... like telephone numbers are sequences of numbers... they are NOT trademarks... and ICANN's interference in this area, and annexing of swathes of generic words in our language to the trademark lobby is an interference far, far in excess of their narrow technical remit...

    ... in constitutional terms, it might be argued that their interference is an infringement on other people's liberties... it was NOT what ICANN was originally set up to do...

    ...Gerry Anderson is absolutely right to question this and come up with a workable proposal...

    ...meanwhile, get your fucking hands off our language, and make the DNS available to all on a fair and equal basis!

    ... ICANN - scrap your over-reaching Agreements and Contracts, scrap Sunrise policies which effectively turn domain names into Trademarks, and piss off!

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    No restrictions on trademark business
    by WIPOorgUK on Wednesday December 25 2002, @11:46PM (#10718)
    User #3146 Info | http://wipo.org.uk/
    Thank you again Rachel.

    What many people fail to realise is that there is no restrictions on trademark business.

    Apple Computers can still use apple.com - just redirected to the identifier - apple.computer.us.reg !

    It gives additional directory function when entered directly.

    This is just to give absolutely certainty as to the trademark owner.

    This 'consumer confusion' is just a bull* excuse used in UDRP to take domain from lawful owner.

    Corporations have no desire at all to prevent confusion on the Internet - they just wish illegal dominance of it.

    I have no doubt that Apple Computers would like apple.[everything] in every TLD.

    Caterpillar tractors have even claimed 'cat' is 'their' trademark on the Internet - even though hundreds of trademarks use the word 'cat' - in US alone.

    Not one person has ever gave reasoned argument as to why authorities should be aiding and abetting corporations to violate Trademark and Competition Law.
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    P.S. It is Garry Anderson :-)
    by WIPOorgUK on Thursday December 26 2002, @12:18AM (#10719)
    User #3146 Info | http://wipo.org.uk/
    To quote a disgraced fallen god, "The Internet IS for everyone - but it won't be unless WE make it so."


    Rachel - this could be a pivotal time in history - and not just for the Internet.

    People should not let governments get away with telling HALF-TRUTHS to decieve them.

    I believe SPIN is the greatest danger to democracy.

    How can people make informed opinion, if they are misled and not all salient facts are explained to them?
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    Re: What this is about & What it's not
    by Anonymous on Thursday December 26 2002, @02:50AM (#10721)
    This thread started off about NewZealand.com. Great decision- the NZ Govt brought a losing case to WIPO and were told where to go. Too bad NewZealand.biz didn't go the same way.

    Then, a very angry Brit named Gerry Anderson made a post - basically the exact same post he made six months ago - about .reg and how WIPO is beholden to trademark interests. Anderson's ideas are severely flawed, and the more he writes, the more he sounds like a crazy old fool. It's almost not worth anyone's time trying to respond to him, because you'll just get the same old tired arguments back.

    Since when did this post become about Apple Computer? Virtual Countries won their name, bravo. Let's end it at that.
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