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    Re: ICANN: Regulator, or Technical Coordination Bo
    by Anonymous on Thursday December 19 2002, @03:39PM (#10601)
    If you want the answer, I suggest that you read this comment to ICANN: http://forum.icann.org/gtld-plan-comments/general/msg00028.html.

    In essence, the trademark lobby doesn't want more unsponsored TLDs because, and I quote:


    ...the larger American trademark holders and businesses
    whom our ABA Section members tend to represent have been forced into
    spending significant sums of money
    in the registration and policing of
    these new gTLD spaces with little to no material benefit to doing so.

    Forced? By whom?!

    Let's boil it down:

    Speculators don't want new unsponsored TLDs because it dilutes their holdings.

    Trademark lobbiests don't want new unsponsored TLDs because they feel they have to buy up their trademarks to protect them.

    The existing registries don't want any new unsponsored TLDs because they don't want competition.

    Follow the money.
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    Re: ICANN: Regulator, or Technical Coordination Bo
    by Anonymous on Friday December 20 2002, @08:21AM (#10618)
    Surely protecting trademarks, even if generally a good idea, exceeds a strictly technical coordination mandate.
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    Re: ICANN: Regulator, or Technical Coordination Bo
    by Anonymous on Monday December 23 2002, @04:00AM (#10654)
    Would like to see ICANN take a strong stand on registry and registrar responsibility.
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    Re: ICANN: Regulator, or Technical Coordination Bo
    by rachelmacgregor on Monday December 23 2002, @12:51PM (#10670)
    User #3082 Info
    ICANN's brief should be limited and should concentrate on its narrow technical mission, BUT... BUT...

    ...if it is going to authorise Registries, and if it is going to accredit Registrars, then it should do everything reasonably within its power to establish decent principles which protect consumers and facilitate the distribution of the DNS in a fair and equitable manner (which is an essential aspect of its mandate and reason for being)... SO...

    ...if ICANN enters into Agreements with a Registry or accredits a Registrar, then it should make sure these agreements are as precise and clear as possible, so as to pre-empt consumer problems wherever possible...

    ...it is far easier to address these problems in advance (to protect people) than to just be what Dan Halloran calls "laissez-faire" and leave the poor consumer to pick up the pieces when they get ripped off... because it becomes incredibly difficult to pursue registrars or registries across international boundaries and most consumers just give up...

    ...it stands to reason that with ICANN's authority to delegate namespace via registries goes a RESPONSIBILITY as well... but if you look at the Agreements that were made with Neulevel or Afilias, it soon became obvious that these were useless to protect the process from all kinds of abuse...

    ...the dot.info Sunrise was a shambles, because the basic rules were so loose that people could exploit the weak Agreements to play the system... but also in that chaos what we saw were Registrars who also played the system and yet STILL carried on being accredited by ICANN...

    So although ICANN has a fundamentally technical mandate (and should stick to it), if it is also going to take on the role of delegating namespace, selecting Registries, designing the TLD structure etc, then it HAS to take on the responsibilities which go with the role...

    For Dan Halloran to say they choose to be "laissez-faire" is completely unacceptable, because it implies ICANN can operate in some wholly amoral market-driven vacuum... whereas they are actually taking on responsibility for the world's namespace, for procedures that impact on decent people, and for the fair distribution of names...

    "Laissez-faire" is unacceptable

    ...If ICANN are to be narrowly tecnical, then the allocation of New TLDs to Registries (and the accreditation of Registrars) should be carried out by another body... on the other hand, if ICANN want the power and influence that the broader delegating authority gives it, then it should also accept the responsibilities that accompany the power...

    Why was there such a disgraceful shambles accompanying last year's NewTLDs? Because ICANN failed to establish clear rules, because ICANN failed to implement clear rules, because ICANN was "laissez-faire" when consumers lost out, because ICANN was incestuously involved with its registrars and friends, and preferred to protect them rather than the whole worldwide public they were set up to serve.

    They are dickheads.

    Slainte

    Rachel Macgregor
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    Re: ICANN: Regulator, or Technical Coordination Bo
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Tuesday December 24 2002, @05:19PM (#10699)
    User #2810 Info
    You'd all be happy to know that sometime ICANN accredited registrar bondi.llc has finally achieved its coveted ICANN accredited registration about a year after it claimed to have such, and nearly as extensive a period since the .biz and .info registries each separately listed that Bondi was an ICANN accredited registar, a position that ICANN staffers Dan Halloran and Ellen Sondheim variously denied, agreed to, prevaricated about, or ignored, for most of that period.

    Regardless of what accreditation means in the ICANN dictionary, if the ICANN staffers charged with overseeing that accreditation are so unwilling or unforthcoming about who is accredited, then really, what good is it? Two well-paid people can't manage a less than 200 entry database over a yearly period? C'mon!

    You find a bit more of the Bondi dossier here, as opposed to at icann.org. -g

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    Re: Peace on Earth and Good Will to Men
    by Anonymous on Tuesday December 24 2002, @10:10PM (#10701)
    Let us pause for a bit to be with family and friends and remind ourselves to be kind and just in our dealings with others. Compassion and forgiveness sometimes go a long way. Seasons greetings to one and all. - There, but for the grace of God...
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