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    Re: Dotster Refuses to Refund .BIZ Application Fee
    by Anonymous on Friday December 21 2001, @09:42AM (#4175)

    Lawyers will tell you there are only three things
    that matter in their world, Time, Power ($$$),
    and Information. They could care less about you
    as a human or the impact on society of their
    legal actions. They spend their life trying to be
    100% billable, while looking for some major case
    to make them really wealthy, at your expense, or
    the expense of others. Life is a game and people
    are their pawns.

    It looks like you are one of the pawns.

    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    Re: Dotster Refuses to Refund .BIZ Application Fee
    by Anonymous on Friday December 21 2001, @01:54PM (#4179)

    company. ICANN is running scams to help the public.

    You need to think about writing a big donation
    check to ICANN. How about $100,000 for starters ?
    This is the Season. OK, it was a lean year, how
    about a $50,000 donation. The ICANN Staff needs
    new computers and carpeting, and larger hotel
    rooms on their world tour next year.

    Come on, dig deep into your pockets, write some
    checks, send them to ICANN. With so many TLD
    fiascos, the ICANN Staff and Groupies need some
    good cheer. Maybe someone can get ICANN to
    agree that donations over $50,000 get a nice
    mention deep in one of the ICANN web pages.

    Come on the ICANN Registrars are probably only
    renewing 10,000 domains a day, at $10 each with
    a buck going ICANN's direction, that is only about
    $1,000 a day. ICANN needs to double its Staff to
    handle the load. Domain name prices are going to
    have to go up, if people do not DONATE to the
    ICANN non-profit public benefit activity.

    Just think, without ICANN there would be no
    ICANN Watch. People need to donate, just like with
    Public Television. ICANN is surely feeling the pain
    and needs some money to ease their pain. Call
    all your relatives and have them empty their bank
    accounts with a donation to ICANN. If they ask if
    they get anything in return, tell them no. ICANN
    returns nothing.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    Save the Dot-Coms
    by Anonymous on Friday December 21 2001, @02:01PM (#4181)


    Share Your Love with an Internet Company in Need; Become a Sponsor

    "Hello there,

    Right now, all over the world, dot-coms are hurting. They are suffering from faulty business plans and cash-flow shortfalls. They lack earnings and even the most basic of revenue models. In many countries, 4 out of 5 dot-coms will die within the next two years.

    All that is needed is someone who will look into the eyes of a needy dot-com and say, 'Yes, I will help.'

    Someone like you.

    With each passing day, dot-coms are finding it increasingly difficult to stay alive. Cut off from further venture funding or bank credit, without access to sufficient revenues, many are forced to make choices about which essentials they can afford: salaries or benefits, marketing or product development, sales or office parties? Choices no one should have to make. Despair takes the place of hope.


    It doesn't have to be this way. Right now, living, breathing dot-coms need your help. Please, look deep into your heart and make the decision to become a Save the Dot-Coms sponsor, and for as little as 79 cents a day (or about the cost of the average Internet stock today), you can help stop the suffering and give deserving dot-coms a better life today, and a chance for the future.

    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    Re: Dotster Refuses to Refund .BIZ Application Fee
    by Anonymous on Friday December 21 2001, @03:34PM (#4190)

    ICANN and/or NeuLevel will surely give people
    their money back.

    Call them.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    Re: Dotster Refuses to Refund .BIZ Application Fee
    by Anonymous on Friday December 21 2001, @03:37PM (#4191)

    This is great, not only do people NOT get domain
    names, they will get to watch their names sold
    again, to someone else.

    What a great ICANN scam. How do they think
    of these things ?

    This could not have been more mismanaged.

    No doubt Dave Crocker must be behind this.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    Re: Dotster Refuses to Refund .BIZ Application Fee
    by Anonymous on Saturday December 22 2001, @01:43AM (#4202)

    You missed the purpose of .BIZ.

    .BIZ is a TLD to give people the BIZness.

    You do not get a name with .BIZ, you get your
    money taken, and have no recourse.

    It is like a vending machine that does not give
    you any products. People in the BIZness place
    machines like this around public places to take
    people's money. There is nothing in them and
    there is no one to complain to. You put your
    quarters in and nothing comes out. Insiders
    take the quarters and laugh at you.

    ICANN is a joke and .BIZ is the ultimate joke.
    Unfortunately, some people do not understand
    international humor. Go read some French
    magazines and look at the cartoons. They make
    no sense to someone who speaks English. They
    are not funny to some.

    Keep shaking the .BIZ vending machine, your
    money goes in but the names do not come out.

    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    Re: Dotster Refuses to Refund .BIZ Application Fee
    by Anonymous on Saturday December 22 2001, @01:50AM (#4203)

    "legal action" ??? for $2 ????

    OK, let everyone know when it works thru the
    ICANN consensus based system and the ICANN

    Maybe Registrars should start charging $240 per
    hour to talk to you on the phone, the way lawyers
    do. Let's see, that is $4 a minute. That is about
    what they charge for adult chat lines. Your $2
    is worth about 30 seconds of their time.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    Call the Names Council
    by Anonymous on Saturday December 22 2001, @02:28AM (#4213)
    Current NC members are:

    ccTLD Registries:

    Europe (.fr) - Elisabeth Porteneuve Elisabeth.Porteneuve@cetp.ipsl.fr
    LatinAC (.mx) - Oscar Alejandro Robles Garay orobles@nic.mx
    North America (.vi) - Peter de Blanc pdeblanc@usvi.net

    Commercial and Business Entities:

    AsiaPac (.nz) - Grant Forsyth grant.forsyth@clear.co.nz
    Europe (.uk) - Philip Sheppard philip.sheppard@aim.be
    NorthA (.us) - Marilyn Cade mcade@att.com

    gTLD Registries:

    AsiaPac (.au) - Richard Tindal Richard.Tindal@neulevel.com
    Europe (.se) - Cary Karp ck@nrm.se
    NorthA (.us) - Roger Cochetti rcochetti@verisign.com

    ISP and Connectivity Providers:

    Europe (.de) - Tony Holmes tony.ar.holmes@bt.com
    LatinAC (.ar) - Antonio Harris harris@cabase.org.ar
    NorthA (.us) - Greg Ruth greg_ruth@yahoo.com

    Non-Commercial Domain Name Holders:

    AsiaPac (.kr) - Youn Jung Park yjpark@myepark.com
    LatinAC (.pa) - Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales vany@sdnp.org.pa
    NorthA (.us) - Milton Mueller mueller@syracuse.edu


    AsiaPac (.au) - Erica Roberts erica.roberts@bigpond.com
    Europe (.uk) - Paul Kane Paul.Kane@reacto.com
    NorthA (.us) - Ken Stubbs kstubbs@dninet.org

    Trademark, Other Intellectual Property and Anti-Counterfeiting Interests:

    Europe (.fr) - Laurence Djolakian laurence_djolakian@mpaa.org
    LatinAC (.cl) - Guillermo Carey gcarey@carey.cl
    NorthA (.us) - Caroline Chicoine cchicoine@thompsoncoburn.com
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    Re: Dotster Refuses to Refund .BIZ Application Fee
    by Anonymous on Saturday December 22 2001, @02:53AM (#4219)
    VeriSign registrar has refunded the entire
    application fee in connection with its .BIZ domain name applications ($2
    NeuLevel component and $3 VeriSign component). http://www.lextext.com/icann/
    I have indicated that VeriSign's response would be one of the important
    factors one should look towards. Please see the exact wording of their
    correspondence at the following URL:
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    Re: Dotster Refuses to Refund .BIZ Application Fee
    by Anonymous on Saturday December 22 2001, @02:55AM (#4220)
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "NeuLevel"
    Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 6:09 PM
    Subject: Registrar Account Balances

    > Dear Registrar Partner,
    > With the end of the calendar year fast approaching, NeuLevel is preparing
    > institute the financial policies outlined in the attached document
    > "Registrar Credit and Payment Policies." This document was originally
    > distributed to all Registrars via email on June 7.
    > Since the .BIZ Registry went live on November 7, NeuLevel has followed a
    > flexible payment schedule and allowed Registrars to register live domains
    > despite having a zero or negative balance in their account. This message
    > informs you that, beginning on Friday, December 28, NeuLevel will require
    > payment at the time of all new registrations, and we will shut off
    > access for any Registrars that have a negative balance on that date.
    > Over the last few days, NeuLevel has sent statements to each Registrar
    > amounts due, where applicable. If you are currently have a negative
    > balance, NeuLevel must receive payment for any/all outstanding balances,
    > also sufficient funds to cover any new registrations by 17:00 EST on
    > Thursday, December 27. If you forsee any problems in meeting this
    > please contact us immediately.
    > Please review the attached document and contact us with any questions.
    > Specific questions concerning your account balance and payment methods
    > should be sent via email to: batch_finance@neulevel.biz.
    > Thank you for your cooperation in this regard.
    > Sincerely,
    > The NeuLevel Registrar Relations Team
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    by Anonymous on Saturday December 22 2001, @06:19AM (#4237)

    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    Re: Dotster Refuses to Refund .BIZ Application Fee
    by Anonymous on Saturday December 22 2001, @06:48AM (#4239)

    How many people has the .BIZ Registry paid
    to be on their "team" ?

    Money can keep people very quiet.

    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    Re: Dotster Refuses to Refund .BIZ Application Fee
    by Anonymous on Monday December 31 2001, @05:33AM (#4481)
    This problem may not be limited to just dotster.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]

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