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    Re: Embarrassing ICANN Document Suddenly Vanishes
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Saturday May 11 2002, @09:07PM (#6250)
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    Lies are Truth. Consensus Opposition is Consensus Support. Life follows art. The kindest explanation is that Kent Crispin is like Winston Smith, tortured (by a cage full of computer mice?) into doing his master's bidding, a petty functionary dropping bits into the memory hole. A less kind explanation is that he has always been a true (that is, lie) believer, a card carrying member of the apparatchik, even before being paid for it. See t's revealing dossier on that here, then let's look at some more of the recent record...

    Former (or present, it still isn't clear) ALSC staffer Denise Michel announced last Wednesday:

    To help keep you updated on At-Large organizing efforts, a website, announce list, etc. will be established at www.at-large.org (not yet operational)...
    And it isn't, one gets:
    Forbidden
    You don't have permission to access / on this server.
    Apache/1.3.20 Server at register.icann.org Port 80
    The server is in the belly of the beast, surely not where most at-large (non) members would prefer it to be. And WHOIS at-large.org?
    domain: at-large.org
    status: production
    origin-c: kent@songbird.com#0
    owner: Kent Crispin
    email: kent@songbird.com#0
    admin-c: kent@songbird.com#0
    tech-c: kent@songbird.com#0
    billing-c: kent@songbird.com#0
    nserver: bywater.songbird.com
    nserver: joy.songbird.com
    nserver: wren.songbird.com
    One can get understandably confused about who is running what where. Tracking this beastie becomes difficult when the beast is within the belly of the beast ad infinitum.

    Is this some kindly Kent Crispin, donating a name to a worthy cause? Doubtful. In August 2001 he told the ICANN At Large Study Committee [EMPHASIS his; emphasis mine]:

    We don't need to build ANYTHING. ICANN is an industry coordinating body, like many others, and proper control of ICANN already comes from governments, through their anti-trust authorities. All of this ALREADY EXISTS. We don't need an at-large membership, we don't need elections, we don't need ANY of this stuff. It is all superflous. Our government IN FACT already has its thumb on ICANN, and there is no way for ICANN to escape it. ICANN is a natural monopoly, and will ALWAYS be under the close scrutiny of anti-trust authorities all over the world.
    Presumably Kent Crispin would then support Jamie Love's initiative for a rebid. It seems from the above that Kent Crispin eerily presaged by many months the M. Stuart Lynn Roadmap, first reported here on ICANNWatch. And (does one discern a troubling and more than coincidental pattern here?) the Jeanette Hofmann forward of that Andy Müller-Maguhn letter mysteriously never made the ALSC archive. Kent Crispin continued in his post to the ALSC:
    The mechanism necessary to control ICANN ALREADY EXISTS, and the insane bloat that ICANN is experiencing is precisely the result of ambitious idealogues who want yet another government, so they can run for office.
    Lucky for him, now that ideologue Kent Crispin is part of that insane bloat, he no longer has to play (and fail) at governance, as he once tried in a previous at-large.org incarnation (with more thanks to the WayBack machine, Mr. Peabody). The mechanism necessary to control ICANN ALREADY EXISTS, and now he is in charge of the bit bucket.

    What is most disconcerting about all this is that ICANN is:

    1. either
    a) unaware, or
    b) unconcerned
    about the optics of harboring this snake in the grass, or

    2. they know full well how it looks and use it to emphasize that resistance is futile.

    My money is increasingly on the latter. -g

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    Re: atlarge.org
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Sunday May 12 2002, @03:18PM (#6268)
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    Ziff Davis the longtime tech publisher, having a hard (but well) earned reputation for being entirely lacking in clue, is now using the DNS as a dictionary? Priceless. -g
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