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    Re: Apples and Hand Grenades...
    by peterd on Tuesday July 30 2002, @12:21PM (#8233)
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    Do keep in mind that this analysis was originally aimed at the IETF community, and was an attempt to examine what I see as a kneejerk reaction of outright hostility among a certain percentage of that community towards what they characterize as "political" activity. Some of their operating assumptions may not be what you'd expect.

    For example, if you firmly believe that anyone advocating alternative roots is a scoundrel seeking to make ill-gotten gains, and that their technical incompetence would lead to instability and failure of the net, then you don't really need to spend any energy on questions related to their proposals. Your successful mental appeal for a "motion for summary judgement" rules such consideration out of scope and in such an atmosphere nobody would ever actually feel the need to get around to examining the technical issues at hand, such as the additional load that would be generated by a significant increase in the number of TLDs or the distinction between alternative root systems and alternative namespaces. You've dismissed the person asking the questions before you get around to having to examine the question itself.

    The thread currently underway on the IETF general mailing list (of which my posting was a small part) offers me some hope that this situation may be changing. My interpretation is that there is developing a consensus view that the ICANN effort has failed, and because of that the IETF might have to revisit some of these issues. There's still invective and namecalling going on, but also some reasoned thought about the issues. This may or may not lead anywhere, but we do seem to be moving beyond the "off with her head" reactions of the past.

    Of course, all this is IMHO, FWIW, YMMV, YGWYPF, VC, DSO and bar....

    - peterd

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    Re: Apples and Hand Grenades... by peterd
    Re: Apples and Hand Grenades...
    by RFassett on Tuesday July 30 2002, @05:32PM (#8237)
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    as a lay person, it just seemed to me 2 years ago that the whole debate about adding new TLD's and its corresponding effect upon the Internet's technical stability could finally be answered to some degree once the 7 new registries launched.

    It seemed reasonable that the IETF recommendation of 7- 10 was a place to start or find out. And, once this was accomplished, technical data could be relatively easily gathered to (finally) substantiate one way or the other the long standing debate of new TLD's vs. Internet stability.

    Part of this assumption was that the IETF would actually care enough to want to find out. Afterall, it was their recommendation that ICANN cited as authoritative that limited the test round to 7 new TLD's. It is shameful that ICANN moved forward in implementing new TLD's without any designed process to gather technical data relative to stability. The fact this has happened is beyond basic common sense given the gravity of what this was supposed to be all about.

    But, the IETF is not ICANN. The IETF has its own principles, guidelines and mission that it follows. Certainly, it would seem on the surface, that technical stability of the Internet as this relates to the new TLD registries would be something the IETF would feel an obligation to monitor. It not only would appear to be within their scope but one of necessity, especially given that their original position shaped the very limited and first ever expansion process the community is now saddled with.

    It is one thing to say that ICANN is an amateurish entity without a sound technical evaluation process in place to monitor stability as a result of the new TLD's....that ICANN can not produce today any type of quantitative report on the matter. It is quite another for the IETF to say that this is outside their scope. The irony is that the current silence from the IETF continues to be part of the failure of ICANN. When the IETF chose to state its position and ICANN cited it as authoritative, the IETF became part of what is now potentially deemed as the "failure". Continued silence does not absolve the IETF here. To me, it seems difficult for any reasonable person to advocate any further involvement from the IETF given their cut and run approach specifically to this.
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