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    Re: SnapNames Response to Names Council Wait Listi
    by RFassett on Sunday July 28 2002, @03:39AM (#8124)
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    Anon writes:

    "Without WLS, it will cost roughly $9.00 - $35.00 to get the same dropping domain name.

    No propaganda, just facts!"

    Fine. Has the registrar community provided data to support this? What is exactly the average cost of registering a deleted domain name today? I have not seen this calculation. And please be sure to include all those "consumers" that have purchased multiple services for the same domain to increase their "odds" - including those that still did not get the registration. How much does it cost to join one of those closed lists? Is this factored into your $9 to $35 range? Please provide us with the "average cost" calculation under the status quo and supporting data that supports this calculation. To me, it's a first step towards some credibility. How about if we stay away from the subjective "high profile" class since this varies from person to person and just go with the real numbers. Surely there must be enough history now to do this. Where is this as part of this whole debate?
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    Re: SnapNames Response to Names Council Wait Listi by RFassett
    Re: SnapNames Response to Names Council Wait Listi
    by fnord ({groy2k} {at} {yahoo.com}) on Sunday July 28 2002, @07:06AM (#8130)
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    I can see the existing registrars/namedrop services not wishing to release such numbers for competitive reasons. I suppose they could be asked for these numbers by ICANN, who could then do a private evaluation, perhaps then publishing only aggregate data in support of a particular decision.

    All this talk of benefiting the consumer is self-serving. Existing registrants will not benefit from the WLS, nor do they benefit from the status quo. End users of the DNS who take it as an authoritative addressing system will be mislead by the WLS, they are mislead by the status quo. Buying someone else's previously used domain name benefits only those who intend to mislead. So it shouldn't be surprising that those selling the name, whether the status quo or WLS, are also being misleading. That seems to be the coin of the realm these days. Here's some recent coverage on WLS from the Register. -g

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    Re: This is not Rocket Science!
    by fnord ({groy2k} {at} {yahoo.com}) on Sunday July 28 2002, @10:44AM (#8137)
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    Those domains that should have dropped months (and even years) ago will probably have a WLS placed on them because if VeriSign thinks they're valuable, so will those who pick up dropped names. That is why VeriSign is warehousing them. Once the WLS is in place they will magically appear. If there is no WLS placed on some of them VeriSign might as well drop them as clearly no-one really wants them. Perhaps someone will come along eventually and VeriSign will still make $6.

    Your average individual can't beat either the existing namedrop services or the WLS to desirable dropped names, that is and will remain in the hands of the few. If you want to be one of those few, waiting for a name to drop and then going to a registrar of your choice to pick it up will only work for those names which aren't desirable, the good ones are gone in seconds. And if it isn't desirable then there won't be a WLS placed on it and you can take your time.

    It is misleading to argue that some existing namedrop services may charge less than the WLS by pointing to a given fee. Assuming one could aggregate all these fees, which is difficult with some using bidding models, etc., one might get a truer picture of the existing cost to someone to lock up the registration on a dropped name. Simply using one, or even a few, is no guarantee. That total cost is well above the WLS fee. That is no reason to bring in the WLS, but it is a poor argument to use against it. -g

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