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    Re: Directi warehousing .info LR2 names
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Tuesday July 16 2002, @01:31PM (#7914)
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    This is the tip of the iceberg. I'm working on another complex case I hope to submit here within a day or two. ICANN's New TLD Evaluation Process Forum is chock full of other well documented examples of registrars who are self-dealing. This is the same thing that happened with the .biz 2b rollout and Richard Henderson specifically brought it to the attention of Board Chair Vint Cerf and ICANN Registrar Liaison Dan Halloran over 60 days ago, and numerous times since, and has received no meaningful reply from the first individual, and not even an acknowledgement from the second. Now the same corruption, and worse, has hit the .info LR2 rollout.

    How in the hell is ICANN going to spin this one? We wake up tomorrow and registrars are still holding many of the best names, names that endusers often paid non-renewable premiums for a chance at with other registrars. Well, it wasn't an equal chance, and I cannot imagine that that is legal. Didn't they learn anything from their earlier failed lottery?

    Do you know what this is about? This is about ICANN wanting to grow and needing the money to do so. Where do they get the bulk of it? From registrants via registrars. Well, .biz and .info have been flops compared to their projected incomes. The money just isn't there. ICANN is hurting, registrars are hurting, the new registries are hurting. Soooo, sell the names more than once, take them back without refund, eventually let registrars grab the best names, sell them at premium prices, perhaps to the highest bidder, and there you go, problem solved.

    But as I say, how can they spin this? Some of these names have already changed hands a few times via false trademarks, then WIPO challenges from others, some themselves using false trademarks, with ICANN registrars and WIPO all the while pocketing money, and now instead of them going first come first served which should have happened in the first place, the registrars and ICANN will make still more money off them. It boggles the mind.

    Well OK, I'm pissed right off (and I could care less if I ever registered a .biz or .info name, and I'm no speculator), so I know I'm being redundant, but how in the hell are they going to sell this to the public? Or even to other registrars who didn't self-deal? I can hear the ads now:

    Hey Mr. and Mrs. Internet community, come on down to our brand new factory warehouses where names are much more expensive than they were a coupla months ago when we kept them from you, although we told you we were open for business. No other dealers please.
    This is about as honest as holding a third annual Going Out Of Business Sale. And where was the open transparent bottom-up consensus process that decided that first come first served, equal access for all, which is what ICANN and the registrars supposedly were selling, isn't really the product at all? IANAL, but I simply cannot imagine how all of this inside dealing self-enrichment, while clearly openly and repeatedly misleading the end consumer, breaks no civil or even criminal laws.

    And ICANN cannot say they were unaware of it, indeed they stand to profit too. That's one helluva lot of progress since 1997. The only differences I see are that good names are gonna be more expensive and some recipients of that income are gonna be immune from the SEC, and possibly anyone else, seeing as so much progress has been made. I hope Enron, WorldCom, et al, insiders are paying close attention so they can follow this blueprint for next time.

    And while I'm on this rant, speculators will no doubt feel like piling on, but I have no sympathy for them. I was warning as far back as 1999 on Afternic and elsewhere that the smart and well moneyed speculators and squatters were simply moving up a notch to become registrars, and the rest would be taken to the cleaners. And now it's happened. My record as a net prophet is intact. But it was so easy to see coming if you weren't blinded by dreams of riches. With ICANN as the doorman to the root, you can jump the first come first served queu, you just have to slip them some cash for sneaking you in the back door. -g

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    Re: Directi warehousing .info LR2 names
    by PeterBarron (pebarron@hotmail.com) on Tuesday July 16 2002, @06:44PM (#7922)
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    Nothing like waking up to a nice, on target post by fnord.

    I invite you to go back over the applications for new TLD registries and see which ones had the sunrise and landrush messes that gave us this, and which proposed, simply, first come first served.

    Which were willing to invest, or had already invested in the infrastructure to handle a simple first come policy, and which weren't confident enough in their engineering ability and had to engineer, instead, a political solution that they later chose to milk for all it's worth?

    ++Peter
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    Re: So wouldn't the WLS help then?
    by unsolicited (unsolicited@audomainnews.info) on Wednesday July 17 2002, @01:50AM (#7931)
    User #3378 Info | www.audomainnews.info
    um...yes but they didn't expire did they? They were newly released by Afilias after their less than successful first attempt at Landrush. Also WLS is a Verisign product that would apply to com, net & org names only (at least in its current incarnation).
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    Re: So wouldn't the WLS help then?
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Wednesday July 17 2002, @02:05AM (#7933)
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    I don't think the WLS will help at all. Certainly not with these new TLD names which won't be part of it anyway, the WLS is presently proposed for .com and .net only. Athough, if WLS is allowed (and I give that a better than 50% chance because it has minority support, that's how ICANN works) I expect it to spread. Then these fine upstanding examples of business ethics and internet governance can sell the name to still one more person who may well never get it. Incredible.

    As for the WLS I've ranted about that a lot and don't want to repeat myself too often, but SnapNames admits that half their current customers are speculators, the WLS will just be a better tool for speculators. They're the first to the names now (or were, till the registrars kept them as is now happening). They'll still be the first to them. And it mostly won't be speculators in the sense of someone just buying a name for resale, it will be those who want to use the domain to continue to catch its former traffic and make a few cents a click, usually by forwarding them to pr0n and gambling sites. That's what these fine upstanding examples of business ethics and internet governance, and their overseer the USG, consider progress. -g

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    Re: So when is Directi going to be brought up for
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Wednesday July 17 2002, @05:20AM (#7947)
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    ICANN only knows it has to get by the MoU deadliine this fall. The only things the USG are concerned about are maintaining US control of the root, giving preference to US businesses (read big businesses, they're the ones with the campaign donations), and guarding intellectual property interests (again particularily US IP, the US is apparently responsible for over 40% of the world's creative output, I suppose if you allow them to count TV reruns like Hogan's Heroes and Gilligan's Island at 5% each they might have a case).

    How does letting the registrars run amok hurt ICANN's cause? It does nothing to lessen US control of the root, it rewards the bigger existing registrars and registries (mostly US based, particularily VeriSign), it protects IP to an absurd extent beyond US law (or that of any other country SFAIK, although its long arm reaches there), and it cons speculators (many of them not in the US) into giving up money they might otherwise use to register a possibly IP infringing name, into instead buying thin air. Looks like a win-win for ICANN and the USG so far.

    Admittedly some of the more shady registrars have gone a bit overboard and could cause a minor blip on the radar, but, as in the present case, some of the worst actors aren't US based, which allows the US to point at them as evidence for why they must maintain control, and to show that other 60% of creative output is inferior. -g

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    Re: Directi warehousing .info LR2 names
    by unsolicited (unsolicited@audomainnews.info) on Wednesday July 17 2002, @11:02PM (#7959)
    User #3378 Info | www.audomainnews.info
    yes precisely. They bought names under their own name for the express purpose of onselling. It's called warehousing and registrars aren't supposed to do it.
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    Re: ICANN Nov 2000:
    by PeterBarron (pebarron@hotmail.com) on Saturday July 20 2002, @11:08AM (#7993)
    User #3240 Info | http://www.icannwatch.org/
    Excuse me, but I just went back and checked, and IOD's price was not $35, it was $15, and IOD said, on the record, that they would lower it if market forces dictated.

    ++Peter
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