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    Re: How are the new TLDs doing so far?
    by Anonymous on Friday July 12 2002, @05:40AM (#7806)
    You can thank Esther Dyson for the highly successful .aero and .coop. Actually, the sponsors of .aero actually applied for .air, but E.D., in what seemed to her a profound stroke of genius, decided .aero would be better, even though no one even applied for it.

    And of course, who can argue that .coop is anything short of sheer genius ...

    But that's okay. Because Esther's motto is: "Always make new mistakes." And she always lets someone else clean her shit off the toilet seat after she misses the bowl!
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    Re: How are the new TLDs doing so far?
    by RFassett on Friday July 12 2002, @06:15AM (#7809)
    User #3226 Info | http://www.enum.info
    I think at least part of the reason for the new TLD expansion round was for average members of the global community to have the opportunity to register new, short memorable names that no longer existed in .com (other than at exhorbitant aftermarket prices) towards the goal of influencing content development and distribution (and further market place competition where short, memorable .com names would not carry such an inherent and exclusive advantage).

    Now, where in the .biz and info arena (i.e. launch) did this actually happen? Since average members of the Interent community are not going to bother to learn how to register a domain name the very split second it becomes available or can possibly hope to compete with the very miniscule percentage of those that do, how is there any way to quantify whether the new TLD's will have the short term result of new content development and distribution? The speculators will quickly point out that THIS is the role they play for the market place (getting them into the right hands). It's truly ridiculous especially the way this environment gets twisted around to infer no market demand exists from the mass population (as if the the registrant of freemovietheatertickets.com would not prefer theatertickets.move or movietickets.free or freetickets.shop etc etc at competitive retail pricing).
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    Re: How are the new TLDs doing so far?
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Friday July 12 2002, @07:10AM (#7812)
    User #2810 Info
    Good work Dan, though you don't explicitly answer the question in the headline. I take it not very well wouldn't be too far amiss? Another resounding success ICANN can point to to justify its existence. -g
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    I Don't Understand The Numbers
    by Anonymous on Friday July 12 2002, @08:48AM (#7819)
    I don't understand the counts. Here are counts from www.whoisreport.com:

    Domain Counts
    Active Deleted TLD
    21,242,709 9,329,790 .COM
    3,588,863 2,065,279 .NET
    2,333,738 1,258,910 .ORG
    883,258 2,241 .INFO
    710,100 1,918 .BIZ
    280,836 642 .US


    29,048,342 12,658,794 Total
    Last Updated 7/12/2002
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    Re: How are the new TLDs doing so far?
    by Anonymous on Sunday July 14 2002, @04:43AM (#7844)
    Why does Hawaii.info have a post office box in Hawaii and phone number from IOWA?
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    Re: How are the new TLDs doing so far?
    by Anonymous on Tuesday July 16 2002, @03:52AM (#7891)
    The new TLDs are doing terribly. ICANN's choice of Afilias/Ken Stubbs turned out to be a ship run by pirates. Afilias is run by thieves, and those thieves also have interests in the approved registrars.

    The public-at-large never had a fair chance to get many of the .info names. The fix was in from the beginning, and ICANN turned a blind eye while consumers got raped. Thanks Vint! Thanks Esther! Thanks Hans! Thanks Mike Roberts!

    .INFO: Afilias Directors and CEO have grabbed prime names for themselves. At least one Afilias Director (Govinda Leopold) submitted fraudulent sunrise registrations for herself (Hawaii.info & Maui.info). Those bogus registrations were taken from her ONLY AFTER TREMENDOUS COMPLAINTS IN THE ICANN PUBLIC COMMENT FORUM. Afilias CEO is part owner or member of at least two registrars, which he used to manipulate queues for himself and/or friends. A substantial percentage of Afilias and ICANN-accredited registrars gamed the landrushes to get names for themselves, friends, or top bidders in auctions.

    ICANN rejected many TLD applicants, favoring Afilias. ICANN favored the thieves, pirates, fraudsters (Hal Lubsen, Govinda Leopold, et al), and has been totally silent on the issue, despite enormous documentation and complaints posted in the "New TLD Evaluation" public comment forum.

    ICANN Directors have chosen to recuse themselves from follow-up on the woefully inept decisions they made back in November 2000.

    ICANN chose thieves, fraudsters, and auctioneers to run a potentially huge TLD. ICANN Directors and staff (Touton, McLaughlin, Sims) passed terrible judgement on TLD applicants back in November 2000, giving terrible advice to the Directors.

    Wake up Stuart, and do something about it. You're the CEO for Chrissake.

    The DoC better wake up and see that ICANN is in no way looking out for the end-users of domains.

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    Re: How are the new TLDs doing so far?
    by Anonymous on Tuesday July 16 2002, @04:54AM (#7892)
    From the ICANN Public Comment Forum "New TLD Evaluation":

    Afilias director Moshe Fogel applied for domains.info in his own name through Sitename (same company that got Hawaii.info for David Lucas Burge), and Moshe was also cited in the registration of Hockey.info for David Lucas Burge using mystery registrar R217, the unnamed registrar used for getting Adult.info for Michael Palage (of Afilias)'s organisation
    Hey! Some Afilias folks are just plain lucky!

    Can anyone confirm who Registrar R217 actually is?

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    Re: How are the new TLDs doing so far?
    by Anonymous on Wednesday July 17 2002, @05:29PM (#7956)
    ICANN fucked the consumer:

    ...in a letter on 12th May (I'd already flagged up the problem in an Open Letter before that, in early April).
    I told Dan Halloran that there would be a repeat of these "exclusive" queues (which occurred in .biz2B)

    And that's exactly what happened.

    Once again, Marco Publishing appear to dominate BondiLLC's registrar list.

    Once again, Signature Domains have submitted a mini-list which effectively hijacks names from Registrars who open to the public. It was bad enough that in .biz2B all 10 names they secured went to a Business Partner of Signature Domains

    Once again, Lin ZanSong is the exclusive beneficiary of Xin Net Corp

    Once again, registrars have applied for themselves in short lists which hi-jack names from members of the public in ordinary lists (take for example Afilias Director Moshe Fogel who got domains.info for himself in Sitenames mini-list; or take for example Francis Piet, who put people off applying through Nordnet by insisting on 10 year registrations and exorbitant fees, then submitted most of the applications himself, only registering HIS names for 2 years... and because the list was so small, he was phenomenally successful)

    All this was flagged up long in advance to Dan Halloran, ICANN's registrar liaison. 68 days after I first wrote to him, he has still to acknowledge my letter.

    ICANN knew there was a problem. But they chose to do nothing.

    Is this the fair distribution of the DNS?

    Is this acceptable?

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    Moshe Fogel: Afilias Director And Fraudster
    by Anonymous on Thursday July 18 2002, @06:29PM (#7978)
    From the ICANN public comment forum:

    I remain unhappy that Moshe Fogel used his own "short" list at Sitename to obtain www.domains.info when he is not only a Director of Afilias, entrusted with the fair distribution of the .info namespace, but also the Director most closely involved with the Sunrise fiasco last summer.
    Moshe Fogel acted as interim CEO during the set up of Afilias. He acted in that capacity until an outside CEO was hired; but the new CEO did not work out (too honest?) and Hal Lubsen then took over his place, in what was expected to be a temporary position. Moshe Fogel sat in on Policy discussions, and it was expected that he would convey the rules for Sunrise to Liberty and that Liberty would then put in these necessary sanity checks to minimize the incidence of fraudulent Sunrise registrations. As is apparent from what followed, this did not happen.

    That the person entrusted with safeguarding the Sunrise process should now capitalize from its demise - using a mini-list which gained him advantage and exploiting his position as a Registrar to gain a premium name - seems deeply disappointing to me.

    As acting CEO in the period leading up to Sunrise and what followed, and deeply involved in the policy-making that resulted in such a fiasco, I feel Moshe Fogel has a lot to answer for.

    Why weren't realistic checks and safeguards put in place to ensure that at least those visibly ineligible names were deleted and put back in the pool for Landrush 1?

    Why didn't Sunrise allow for some checks on authenticity (such as copies of Trademark certificates etc)?

    Why were names accepted which visibly failed to meet the Trademark cut-off date?

    Why were names accepted with no Trademark numbers or (in the case of the 93 Lubsen/Lorenz names) with no data in any of the four mandatory trademark fields? Extraordinary that the Afilias CEO's own company submitted these.

    Why were Plankenstein's 4981 names accepted without question (could it have been connected with the fact that Afilias Director Mickey Beyer was also the Speednames registrar who stood to gain so much from Plankenstein's phoney applications dated 1899?)

    Whatever the case, I believe Moshe Fogel is the last person who deserved to gain domains.info

    To be honest, I don't even think Directors should take the role of CEO themselves. I think generally it is much better if Board and executive are kept separate.

    Whatever your view, Moshe Fogel's role as Afilias CEO was a period when the whole process was being set up.

    What came to be seen as a travesty and an abomination.


    Shouldn't these people be providing domains for the public, not for themselves?

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