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    Re: Reject WLS
    by GeorgeK on Thursday July 11 2002, @07:52AM (#7777)
    User #3191 Info | http://www.kirikos.com/
    I didn't submit the story, but for the record the origin of that letter is the ICANN WLS Forum, namely at:


    Dotster also issued a statement last night, which I consider the best summary to date against WLS, at:


    It's in Word .doc format, at the very bottom. Someone converted it to ASCII text format here:


    For those who are against WLS, like myself, feel free to add your concerns at the ICANN WLS Forum mentioned above, and also sign the petition at:



    George Kirikos
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    Re: Reject WLS
    by PeterBarron (pebarron@hotmail.com) on Thursday July 11 2002, @08:06AM (#7779)
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    If there were more registries, this wouldn't be nearly the issue that it is.

    ICANN's overbearing and tight fisted regulatory limitation of the market has created this monster.

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    On the VeriSign aspect
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Thursday July 11 2002, @11:03AM (#7786)
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    VeriSign's second quarter earnings were below expectations yesterday [Reuters/Yahoo], some coverage [e-commerce times] of some of their current problems, and the problem [NY Times, may require free registration] of interlocking directorships, including Stratton Sclavos, CEO of VeriSign, who by his own admission only wants more than his fair share. -g
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    Re: Reject WLS
    by RFassett on Thursday July 11 2002, @05:13PM (#7793)
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    an average member of the registrant community does not benefit from the status quo or WLS. The vast majority of people are not going to spend the ridiculous and wasteful amount of time that I do to know:

    1) how to register a deleted domain name (or even what this means)
    2) or how to register a premium domain during a new registry "landrush"

    This logic seems to be entirely lost in the WLS argument (i.e. what is in the best interests of the community as a whole that is logically representative of people that have far better things to do than analyze how to buy a domain name the split second it becomes available to do so). The day I can go into a store and buy domain.foo off the shelf when I feel like it and at normal retail price is the day artificial market mechanisms such as WLS (or the status quo options) will fill absolutely no market need - as it should be. Yes, I know, speculators serve a viable purpose and cringe at such radical thinking.

    It's also quite funny to hear registrars crying "anti-competitive" reasons as a defense for WLS as they continue to gouge the registrant community with rip-off type fees relative to LR1, LR2 etc etc. Sorry, no sympathy from here. Somehow, I really do not think the registrar community has proven to care much about my interests when it comes to acquiring a domain considered as premium. No, this is about how much I can be gouged and what party gets it.
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    Re: Reject WLS
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Saturday July 13 2002, @11:33AM (#7837)
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    Michael Palage cautions the registrars:
    Although I have recused myself from the WLS issue, I have a strong objections on potential anti-trust grounds of this constituency voting on anything that recommends/discusses a price.
    Charging more for a pre-existing domain than for a new one isn't justifiable on the name alone. It's due to the ready made traffic. SnapNames themselves admit that half their customers are speculators. I don't know how they catergorize those who want to catch traffic but I suspect that is the bulk of their business and would continue to be under the WLS.

    Take a look at blindhit.com (some nudity), and there are many others out there like them. They pay 5 cents per click. So if you register a dropped name that was previously averaging 1000 hits per day, that's $50 income per day for the new owner, so of course the name is worth a WLS fee of $50 or many times that. You can see from this that even sites which previously had quite low traffic could turn a profit. Those who want to blindly hit you with ads (mostly for pr0n and gambling) are the folks who have the most to gain from the WLS, and VeriSign/Snapnames know that. This is being spun as a benefit to consumers but the vast majority of consumers, including those wanting names, those losing their names, and those who otherwise use the names in the way they were originally intended will all be the poorer for it.

    VeriSign doesn't care. They want a bigger part of that action. VeriSign has already shown that they are willing to negotiate/drop the price somewhat and to give registrars a bigger piece, but they still own the pie. It sure looks and smells like something begging for anti-trust action to me. -g

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