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    Re: RIR MoU: ICANN's Bid for Independence from the
    by Anonymous on Wednesday April 10 2002, @08:22AM (#5790)
    The RIRs are captured by large net providers and the end users as usual get screwed.

    For the small guy IP addresses are scarce and expensive. And the small guy, often a small business, has no way to really be part of a RIR's decision process.

    Address allocation does have major technical components. But it is not exclusively a technical issue. There are public policy issues. But the public isn't allowed in.

    It's ICANN at its finest - techies as governors who love to look down with disdain on the public, justifying their hubris to themselves with the excuse that the public is "clueless", and eventually evolving into a xenophobic body intent on preserving the status quo of their own power at any cost.

    ICANN's own imprudence has made it nearly insolvent. The RIRs were able to dangle a large bag of cash in front of ICANN. The result is that public policy has been sold to the highest bidder.

    The RIRs want this public declaration of their independence. Contrast this with the desire of the DNS root operators to operate in the dark - ICANN's contract with the root server operators has never been published to the public.
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    Re: RIR MoU: ICANN's Bid for Independence from the
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Wednesday April 10 2002, @12:03PM (#5798)
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    I bet they're rockin' to Jim Morrison and the Doors...
    They got the names, but we got the numbers
    Gonna win, yeah, we're taking over.
    Too bad the ICANN Cams accessible via the left sidebar don't have audio. -g
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    Re: RIR MoU: ICANN's Bid for Independence from the
    by Anonymous on Thursday April 11 2002, @01:29PM (#5815)
    Maybe I'm missing some nuance, Prof. Froomkin, but I don't see the big deal. The assignment language you cite may imply a reading of the ICANN-DoC MoU by ICANN that excepts RIRs from the definition of registries, but beyond that, it's a pretty toothless provision.

    Assume DoC de-recognizes ICANN and designates a new Newco, do you really think the RIRs will do anything other than treat ICANN as the null set it'll be?

    Unless the RIR agreements state specifically that the RIRs will obtain IP blocks only from ICANN, with no "out" if/when ICANN is de-recognized, then the RIRs' only rational behavior will be to ignore ICANN and play ball with whomever DoC next recognizes.

    The alternative is a scenario in which both a new Newco and an orphaned ICANN are handing out blocks of potentially conflicting IP numbers-- in other words, death, destruction, cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria.

    If push comes to shove, the RIRs won't risk IP Armageddon and will instead bow to the will of DoC and/or Congress.

    Am I missing something?
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    Major point!
    by Anonymous on Friday April 12 2002, @05:11PM (#5834)
    You make an important point. Anyone can set up an alternative DNS root (or even write software that enables users to make their choices), but not an alternative IP addressing system. The power is in the numbers.
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