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    Re: Johnson and Crawford: 'What Joe Sims Doesn't G
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Sunday June 16 2002, @06:44PM (#7218)
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    Much as I have been less than kind to Crawford and Johnson in their recent submission, I think they've hit the nail on the head with this one. What I think they miss, and I think most ICANNWatch editors and many Watchers, and even Joe Sims miss, is that whilst they debate how many angels can dance on the end of a dot, the real world is passing them by.

    The number of downloads of free/shareware P2P file sharing programs is in the tens of millions, the number of files those downloaders share is conservatively 10x that again. It matters not a whit what domain name they originate from, some come from a geocities account or jump.to address that is functional for a few hours, some come from an IP address with no associated domain name (or useful WHOIS record), many come from other sources too esoteric to go into for my present purposes, but they do exist, at least temporarily. Neither the providers nor users pay much attention to ICANN, even in the wildest dreams of its most hardcore BoD and staff members they would be at a loss to stop this traffic. We are arguing irrelevancies here, of academic interest only to the student or teacher most in need of grasping at straws.

    Joe Sims may or may not get this, if he does perhaps that is why he is apparently going to retire. Short of pulling the plug and shutting down the net (and those using this newfangled internet thing in the way it was first intended know that there is no one plug, not even the ICANN root), there is no hope for the control freaks, the situation is entirely out of control. The consensus that everyone seeks and no-one can find is out there now, we consent to share bits. In the time it has taken me to write this, or you to read it, I have shared more binary data (which may be a picture or a music file or a DDoS attack or a political tract) than the entire contents of ICANNWatch.org and ICANN.org and the GA archives put together.

    I'm sorry to tack this on to a Crawford and Johnson submission as I think that generally they are people who do get it, they usually bring up angles and viewpoints that I, and I suspect many others, wouldn't otherwise think of, but geez, let's cut to the chase. Nothing Joe Sims thinks, says, or does, has any power over me at all, and that goes for his client as well. If y'all want to consent that it be otherwise then feel free to do so, give them that power. But don't expect my sympathy when they use it on you. -g

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    Re: Johnson and Crawford: 'What Joe Sims Doesn't G
    by PeterBarron (pebarron@hotmail.com) on Sunday June 16 2002, @07:06PM (#7219)
    User #3240 Info | http://www.icannwatch.org/
    So let me see if I understand. ICANN is not a government, nor is it a regulator. Yet it has control over a resource, the root, by virtue of the fact that the United States has given ICANN the power to be the sole official suggestor of changes to that resource.

    I cannot go to the United States, by example, and ask that a change be made in the root. I would be told that I have to go through ICANN.

    So ICANN governs and regulates, as it has the power. End of story.

    Or is it?

    If ICANN is not a government, yet they control this resource, and they are not allowing open access, is that not a violation of United States law? Perhaps there's nothing I can do, as I'm not a citizen. But cannot any corporation in the United States make trouble out of this?

    Blast with consensus and openness and transparency. What it seems to be to be is simply a case of unfair business.

    ++Peter
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    Re: I.C.A.N.N
    by ANNODOMINI2000 (reversethis-{KU.OC.OOHAY} {ta} {D0002DA}) on Sunday June 16 2002, @11:14PM (#7222)
    User #3359 Info | http://www.ad2000d.co.uk/
    I used to assume I.C.A.N.N stood for International Corporation for Administration of Names and Numbers but, of course, I now know it doesn't!

    Why don't we just cut all the crap, verbose talk and talk-back and get back to the basics of what this is all about?

    (i) ICANN should - no, MUST - be administered Globally (ie, Internationally), with participation for ALL Internet-utilising countries

    (ii) ICANN should - no, MUST - be non-profit making

    (iii) ICANN should - no, MUST - not be allowed to employ biased or partisan outside agencies or lawyers to act or speak on its behalf

    (iv) ICANN should - no, MUST - allow ALL Internet Users and Domain Name Holders (both small, big and medium) to have at least some SAY in how the organisation is run

    (v) ICANN should - no, MUST - let the ENTIRE Internet Community (ie, ALL those who wish to be involved and play their part) have their own UNIVERSALLY-ELECTED COMMITTEE/COUNCIL that would ratify, review and/or approve new Legislation or amendments of Policy, and also conduct Appeals upon request of grass-root Internet Users

    Will ICANN let all this happen?

    NO WAY

    So how can we make sure it happens?

    GET RID OF ICANN AND REPLACE THEM WITH A NEW DEMOCRATIC GLOBAL ADMINISTRATION, or FORCE THEM TO CHANGE (fat chance!)

    Or is it me and I'm simplifying things too much??
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    Re: Enough babble from you
    by Anonymous on Monday June 17 2002, @01:05AM (#7223)
    Adrian, you should - no, MUST shut up and stop spamming this board with you nonsensical tirades against ICANN, AOL, and anyone else. You have proven that you really no nothing about the internet, .name's registration policy, the UDRP, the ERDRP, cybersquatting (should I go on). Maybe you should have thought about things before wasting your money on all those domains. It could have been used to pay a psychiatrist or buy some more drugs. Nutcase.
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    Re: ICANN
    by Anonymous on Tuesday June 18 2002, @03:23AM (#7242)
    Adrian, ICANN stands for the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers.

    "Why don't we just cut all the crap, verbose talk and talk-back and get back to the basics of what this is all about?" Well said. ICANN needs to reform, that's clear. But ICANN has also had some successes, and they have been mentioned in other areas of this site. One of those successes has been the UDRP. Like it or not, it is here to stay.

    Adrian says ICANN should be administered internationally. Well, there should be more participation by ccTLDs. But, the US Government still has an important role to play. For the time being, the US Government is probably the only entity that can keep ICANN on its toes.

    ICANN is a non-profit, but they need more funding to properly operate. That means people and groups who share in ICANN's services need to buck up and share in ICANN's costs. ccTLDs, that includes you. Registrars have put up a lot of money toward ICANN, it's also time for ICANN to give a little and let registrars implement new services in return.

    CIRA is on its second Internet election. Why can't ICANN follow their lead? There are a lot of good ideas floating out there, some of them reasonable. But there is also plenty of conspiracy theory crap flowing freely too. Let's cut that out and start talking reality based approaches that will work.

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    • Re: ICANN by ANNODOMINI2000 Sunday June 23 2002, @02:09AM
    Re: Johnson and Crawford: 'What Joe Sims Doesn't G
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Tuesday June 18 2002, @08:59PM (#7259)
    User #2810 Info
    Karl Auerbach and Michael Geist on politechbot about other things Joe Sims doesn't get. -g
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