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    Genuine?
    by lextext on Saturday June 15 2002, @09:51AM (#7200)
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    Looking at the articles of incorporation, the bylaws, and the incorporation application to the pertinent jurisdiction, you'll be able to tell whether a company is a non-profit or not. It either is or it isn't. I'm not aware of any distinction in the law between "genuine" non-profits and "non-genuine" non-profits. If you're suggesting that a non-profit which outsources a registry function to an existing for-profit registry operator is something less than genuine, then I think you're judgment is premature. All the applications will be made public later this week. Look at the relationship between the two companies, understand which party is in control of that relationship, and make a judgment about what services and values the non-profit will bring to the non-commercial community. I think it's a little early to annoint this one, sight unseen, as "genuine" and everything else as some kind of sham. It's not that simple.

    -- Bret
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    Re: Genuine?
    by michael (froomkin@lawUNSPAM.tm) on Saturday June 15 2002, @12:05PM (#7203)
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    I don't see how saying one is genuine implies that *all* the others are not. I was, however, referring to the (as yet unproved) suggestions one sees that *some* bidders are motivated more by the desire of a profit-making company to run the back end than a genuine desire of the people on the front to provide a service.


    As for genuinely open, let's see how many others offer to open source their software.

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      Re: Genuine?
      by lextext on Saturday June 15 2002, @12:24PM (#7204)
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      Let's wait and see who the bidders are. This is undoubtedly an attractive piece of business if you're an existing registry, and I would suspect that most, if not all, of the major registries are associated with a bid either directly or as a subcontractor. The key though is not whether an existing or for-profit registry is associated with a bid, but in what capacity? What have they pledged to do? Are the promises real or illusory? This is going to require a careful reading of the bids and some exploratory conversations with the bidders. So when Mr. Malamud asks "Is this a public trust or a public trough?" and Mr. Markoff writes a sympathetic article to that point of view and ICANNWatch praises the Vixie/Malamud bid as genuine and open, I smart a little. No one has seen all of the competing bids yet -- Mr. Malamud included. Yes, I've been privy to conversations about one of them, which I suspect and hope will be among the leading bids, but at this point no one can say much about any of them. We only have a few days to wait. Let's see what gets submitted and then make the significant investment of time that it's going to take to understand and evaluate the bids on their merits.

      -- Bret
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        Re: Genuine?
        by Anonymous on Saturday June 15 2002, @01:27PM (#7205)
        Of course you feel that way. You're working for an applicant, after all. You'll take any opportunity to play down an advantage of another bidder.

        Your seat at the trough has your name engraved on it.
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      Re: Genuine?
      by Anonymous on Saturday June 15 2002, @02:41PM (#7206)
      It seems to me that one of the concerns that has not been expressed is that of increasing the diversity of those who offer registry services.

      The Malamud/Vixie team seems well suited to add a bit of real competition to the very limited number of registries.

      Perhaps a guideline should be adopted that no bidder that already is running a TLD registry should get a second TLD registry until after ICANN creates a few hundred more TLDs.
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        Re: Genuine?
        by Anonymous on Saturday June 15 2002, @07:32PM (#7211)
        "Perhaps a guideline should be adopted that no bidder that already is running a TLD registry should get a second TLD registry until after ICANN creates a few hundred more TLDs."

        Well, this would be the reason these existing registries are lining up with others as "hired hands" rather than as the direct, stand alone applicant. Pretty funny, huh? With ICANN, it's par for the course. Just ask Blokzijl...he will tell you why your theory is radical and so potentially unstable.

        Personally, I'd be surprised if either the Neustar bid or Afillias bid did not win for the simple reason both are suffering a bit financially and a registry "going down" is not a stable situation ICANN can afford to see happen. Of these two, I pick Affilias since Neustar did the end run around ICANN for .US.

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