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    Re: Buy This Book
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Friday June 14 2002, @07:21AM (#7176)
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    This has nothing to do with the book itself, which I really look forward to reading, but about Amazon.com. Does the Amazon link contain an affiliate code so that ICANNWatch or Milton or someone gets the 5 to 15% referral fee? I haven't created any such links recently and Amazon often changes their URL affil code so I can't be sure just from looking at it. I ask because:

    1. Whether one uses an affiliate link or a straight link, the price of the book to the purchaser is the same. The difference is that Amazon makes 5 to 15% less on the purchase (which they presumably consider money well spent as they have done this for most of their existence, in fact they were granted a controversial patent on it), and the affiliate referrer receives that money instead.

    2. For anyone following such an affiliate referral link who then continues to browse Amazon and purchases lawn furniture or whatever Amazon is selling these days, the affiliate referrer also receives 5 to 15% of the sale price of those subsequent purchases, again at no additional cost to the purchaser.

    3. Because there is no additional cost to the purchaser I see nothing wrong with ICANNWatch doing this to help fund its operational costs, or to help defray the cost of adding additional features. In fact I'd suggest an additional sidebar (hey, congrats on being named Political Site of the Day) to the right or left on the home page linking to relevant books such as Ruling the Root, Ellen Rony's Domain Name Handbook (which remains very relevant), and other books I, and no doubt others, could suggest. Along those lines, perhaps a PayPal link could be prominently provided for those who appreciate ICANNWatch and would like to make a donation to support its operations.

    4. If ICANNWatch already has an Amazon affiliate relationship, or if/when it gets one, I'd appreciate the proper URL code being displayed somewhere as I've linked from here to Amazon in the past and may again in future and would prefer to use an affil link that benefits ICANNWatch. I hasten to add that my previous links to Amazon were straight links, I didn't use my own affil codes.

    And I found this strange, under More Buying Choices in the Amazon upper right sidebar for Ruling the Root, one is given the option of:

    3 new: from $29.99
    1 used: from $32.62

    Is the used one autographed by the author to justify its increased price? :) -g

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      Re: Buy This Book
      by michael (froomkin@lawUNSPAM.tm) on Friday June 14 2002, @08:23AM (#7179)
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      It's a great suggestion, but we don't even have a bank account. ICANNWatch is an unincorporated volunteer association. Would it be taxable revenue for whoever took in the cash? Not that we couldn't use the money to fund the site...
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        Re: Buy This Book
        by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Friday June 14 2002, @08:51AM (#7181)
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        Depending on your relationship with your hosting service., or if you now pay for other technical services, perhaps you could set up an affil for them and have them paid directly, with the current funders making up any difference, or putting any excess to additional services. Or you could always name the Non-Commercial Domain Name Holders Constituency as the beneficiary. :)

        In the alternative, as the de facto ICANN doppelgänger, is there a good reason why ICANNWatch remains unincorporated? Incorporation opens a world of marketing possibilities beyond just books, an ICANN Songs CD by Anonymous, an ICANN Movies DVD by Kendall Dawson, etc. Just kidding on these last two. :) -g

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      Re: Buy This Book
      by hofjes on Friday June 14 2002, @05:14PM (#7187)
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      I purchased my copy from the link at Bret Fausset's site.

      I hope he gets a commission from Amazon.
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        Re: Buy This Book
        by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Friday June 14 2002, @08:05PM (#7190)
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        Bret should, as that's what I was on about. Here's info on the Amazon affiliate (commission) program. I don't currently use them, preferring Powell's [these are all straight, not affiliate, links], but such affiliate linking has helped to fund (and sometimes more than fund) some of my sites over the past few years. And I thought I was joking about Amazon selling lawn furniture. Apparently not. -g
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      Amazon Affiliates
      by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Tuesday June 18 2002, @09:39PM (#7260)
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      A bit of trivia here. Just to show that affiliate programs aren't completely offtopic for ICANNWatch, it was author Jeanette Winterson's WIPO case that took the protection of personal names without a registered trademark to a new level.

      Winterson first brought the case (and otherwise made it a cause célèbre in the UK) under the mistaken understanding that the affiliate commission that Amazon would have paid the original registrant for selling one of her books would have cut into the amount she would receive from Amazon for the sale of one of her books. She was quoted at the time as saying she wouldn't have cared about the domain name except that it was costing her money. Well, it wasn't. So from that mistake we get the quasi pseudo ersatz case law that one Peter Frampton trumps another. -g

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        More trivia
        by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Wednesday June 19 2002, @05:58AM (#7268)
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        Lyle's middle name is Peter, you can read more about his side of the story on the yet to be transferred peterframpton.com, and here is a news article. And here is yet another famous Peter Frampton, perhaps he should have filed with WIPO first. Archive.org has a number of archived peterframpton.com front pages. OK, so the guy linked to a guitar shop, he also linked to numerous other non-music related affiliates. I don't think this would meet the level of passing off in the real world.

        Keeping with the musical theme you may want to check the recent WIPO gloria.com (G-L-O-R-I-A) decision which went to the Respondent in a split decision. This seems to be a growing trend amongst some squatters, find someone or something that fits the name and transfer it to them, or claim to. EGs: worldnetatt is variously claimed to mean WORLDwide NETwork of ATTorneys and The WORLD of NETtie ATTebury (note that neither Amazon nor Google can find any such books). The actions (or inaction) of registrar eNom are interesting in this regard. ICANN won't bring its accredited registrars to heel for fleecing and misleading hundreds, probably thousands, of registrants, but watch how long it takes them to protect an Intellectual Property interest.

        And finally Don Henley, not the famous musician, still has don-henley.com despite legal threats, and the famous musician, who otherwise claims to not like lawyers much and actively opposes things like the RIAA, now has donhenley.com, so all's right with the world. -g

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    Re: Buy This Book
    by Jon_Weinberg on Friday June 14 2002, @08:08AM (#7177)
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    Read Salon.com's review. (They like it. A lot.)
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    Buy this book here
    by lextext on Friday June 14 2002, @08:09AM (#7178)
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    If IW doesn't have an Amazon affiliate account, you can always buy the book through mine. :-) -- Bret
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    Indeed: Buy it!
    by alexander on Friday June 14 2002, @08:39AM (#7180)
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    Never mind the affiliate account -- buy the book! ;) "Ruling the Root" is telling a fascinating story: How did "the root" evolve, how did especially the name space become a valuable resource and how did the fight over this resource lead to institutional innovation aka ICANN? This story is told in a very readable and occasionally very funny way (see e.g. footnote 17 of chapter 11). But it's not only history, it also discusses possible future developments (and it's also interesting from a theoretical point of view, even though I put this in parantheses in order not to scare anyone off...)

    One of the reasons why I recommend "Ruling the Root" wholeheartedly is mentioned in the Salon review: Milton "documents and explains this process of evolution in absorbing detail, without raising his voice or lapsing into outrage." If you just want whining about ICANN, buy something else. This one helps you to arrive at your own conclusions.

    Many thanks to Milton for this excellent book!

    (For fellow Germans who want to order the book online: It seems that neither the libri.de affiliates nor bol.de nor the buch.de affiliates carry it. You have to go to amazon.de [icann.blog.link].)
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