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    Corinithians Reversed: Federal Court WIPO UDRP Challenge Upheld | Log in/Create an Account | Top | 95 comments | Search Discussion
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    Re:Just don't talk, take action!
    by JohnR (yes@fakemail.com) on Saturday December 08 2001, @04:08AM (#3991)
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    I hope icannWatch.org can do something when it sees something wrong with some organization or policy. Just doing news or comments may not benefit the internet community enough. Now that icannwatch.org has earned some trust, in my view, from the internet community, it should play a more important role in the internet community. For instance, why can't icannwatch.org start a netizen union? When things do not work out, go on strike. If need volunteers, count me in. Send netizens' voice to Washington. If Washington does not a good job, weigh your vote in election years!

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    Re: Corinithians Reversed: Federal Court WIPO UDRP
    by fnord (reversethis-{moc.oohay} {ta} {k2yorg}) on Saturday December 08 2001, @12:07PM (#4008)
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    Declan McCullagh's politechbot list has some coverage here (OT but interesting is that he mentions dropping a domain that one wouldn't think would then be used for pr0n sites).

    Not only do I not have any sympathy for Mr. Sallen, he is setting back the cause of valid free-speech sites. -g

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    WIPO United Nations' Status
    by freespeechcenter (registry@freespeechcenter.org) on Friday December 07 2001, @09:15AM (#3974)
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    WIPO describes itself as follows at the following link:


    "With headquarters in Geneva, Switzerland, WIPO is one of the 16 specialized agencies of the United Nations system of organizations. It administers 21 international treaties dealing with different aspects of intellectual property protection. The Organization counts 177 nations as member states.
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    Re: Corinithians Reversed: Federal Court WIPO UDRP
    by fnord (reversethis-{moc.oohay} {ta} {k2yorg}) on Friday December 07 2001, @11:22AM (#3977)
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    If you're that concerned you should set up a site to keep an eye on those gnomes of Geneva. Hey, call it swisswatch.org. -g
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    Two Lawyers Who Did Not Sell Out
    by freespeechcenter (registry@freespeechcenter.org) on Friday December 07 2001, @03:05PM (#3983)
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    It does not appear that Linda A. Harvey and her sole partner, Mr. Kleger of Harvey & Kleger, in Methuen, Massachusetts, U.S.A., "sold out."
    After Mr. Sallen's case challenging the Swiss-based WIPO decision in favor of the Brazilian corporation was initially wrongfully dismissed by the Massachusetts U.S. District Court on jurisdictional grounds, Ms. Harvey & Mr. Kleger persisted in representing Mr. Sallen, and they were victorious on appeal against the large Boston and Madison Avenue, New York law firms retained by the Brazilian corporation. Whether the Brazilian corporation, Corinthians Licenciamentos, LTDA, has its Boston and New York law firms file an appeal to the United States Supreme Court remains to be seen. Obviously some lawyers are "sell outs" and some are not.
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    Re: collectively represent a diversity of viewpoin
    by fnord (reversethis-{moc.oohay} {ta} {k2yorg}) on Friday December 07 2001, @04:37PM (#3984)
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    Ya. Do some research. I think they're called search engines. Go to Yahoo and do a search for one. -g
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    by freespeechcenter (registry@freespeechcenter.org) on Saturday December 08 2001, @09:43AM (#4003)
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    The Corinthians case is indeed about free speech and another cherished right shared by Americans pursuant to the First Amendment of the Constitution -- freedom of religion. The following is quoted directly from the December 5, 2001, opinion issued in the Corinthians decision by Circuit Judges Lynch, Stahl and Lipez of the U.S. Court of Appeals:

    "The [WIPO] panel concluded that publishing quotes from the Bible before CL (Corinthians Licenciamentos, LTDA) filed its complaint but after Sallen had notice there was a dispute brewing was insufficient to constitute a right or legitimate interest. A finding by a federal court that Sallen was within his rights when he used corinthians.com to post Biblical quotes would directly undercut the [WIPO] panel's conclusion"

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    by freespeechcenter (registry@freespeechcenter.org) on Sunday December 09 2001, @05:11AM (#4025)
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    Is the Internet "International"?
    by Muhhk on Sunday December 09 2001, @10:53PM (#4032)
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    I fail to see your point. The Internet is an international thing. Companies from all over bid for the oppotunity to run new gTLD's (Global Top-Level Domain, the clue is in the "global"). Some won. Some lost. Some US companies will no doubt be supplying the various US and non-US companies that register domains with equipment, as they will no doubt supply a Californian company called "Verisign".

    Add besides, the only sensible place for Dot-Coop is in Rochdale.
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    Free Speech My Arse
    by mjrippon on Monday December 10 2001, @04:06AM (#4041)
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    If you read the judgment you'll find that it has nothing whatsoever to do with freedom of speech. This judgment is about jurisdiction, pure and simple. Sallen established that the US federal courts, along with competent courts in every applicable jurisdiction, can review UDRP decisions de novo. That's all. In fact in giving its judgment, the Court wrote:

    "Whether or not Sallen can win his claim under § 1114(2)(D)(v) is a separate question which does not bear on jurisdiction unless Sallen's claim is "wholly insubstantial and frivolous." Bell v. Hood, 327 U.S. 678, 682-83 (1946) "

    Sallen's claim was justified under the ACPA - I completely agree. Whether Sallen actually is a cybersquatter or not is a question to be decided by the lower court. That court may agree with the UDRP panel, or it may differ. IMHO the crucial point will be what the Court decides were Sallen's motives in uploading those biblical references. In the light of his cruziero.com registration, I suggest Sallen is on the backfoot in attempting to give credible evidence on the point. But that's my opinion FWIW.

    I challenge anyone to find a quote from the judgment in question that supports the absurd notion that USCA, in remitting this case back to the lower court for a decision, in any way support the notion that Sallen's position is strengthened by free speech arguments. I've read it all and kind find nothing that would suggest that.


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    Re: Afilias Limited is an Irish Limited Company
    by fnord (reversethis-{moc.oohay} {ta} {k2yorg}) on Tuesday December 11 2001, @04:17AM (#4052)
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    You must have missed the report here about Afilias recreating itself in the US. Meanwhile, Robert Connolly's PSINet Japan, which wanted to wash its hands of Afilias, is reportedly going to be bought out by Cable and Wireless. -g
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    Fair.com? Professor Geist's Analysis of UDRP Unfai
    by freespeechcenter (registry@freespeechcenter.org) on Wednesday December 12 2001, @04:26AM (#4060)
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    Suggested reading for those interested in the debate concerning the fairness of WIPO UDRP decisions: Professor Michael Geist's analysis titled "Fair.com? An Examination of the Allegations of Systematic Unfairness in the ICANN UDRP" which is available in .pdf format at the following link:

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    by freespeechcenter (registry@freespeechcenter.org) on Thursday December 13 2001, @03:34AM (#4064)
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    Informative articles about the U.S. Court of Appeals decision vis-a-vis WIPO in the U.K. publication, "The Register" dated 12/12/2001:


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