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    Re: Possible fraud attempt on IP Claims for blocke
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Tuesday March 12 2002, @12:54PM (#5247)
    User #2810 Info
    Bhavin Turakhia, CEO of directi, has sent some messages to the registrars' list which may have something to do with this. -g
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    Text of the e-mail from Directi
    by michael (froomkin@lawUNSPAM.tm) on Wednesday March 13 2002, @01:20AM (#5252)
    User #4 Info | http://www.discourse.net/
    Lumpy sent us this note (which I've reformatted a little):

    Directi, an ICANN accredited registrar based in Bombay in India (www.directi.com) is sending out the following spam/scam to all .biz IP Claim holders, which pretty much speaks for itself (details removed to protect the innocent):

    ----- Original Message -----

    From: ".BIZ IP Claim Protection Program"
    {ipclaim@directi.com} To:
    Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 4:20 PM
    Subject: Application for _______.biz


    Hi Mr ___________,

    You have an IP Claim on the domain __________.biz.

    You would have surely applied for this domain name through some Registrar, yourself. However DO NOT LET this IP Claim lend you a false sense of security about definetly obtaining your Domain Name. We at Directi have conducted extensive Research on names which have an IP Claim on them, and the chances of your getting YOUR Name are not too high. In the worst case your chances of getting _________.biz maybe around 1.67%

    Whats more... if you DO NOT get _________.biz then to obtain it back using a WIPO Claim you will need to spend $1500 with NO GUARANTEE in outcome. It is obvious therefore that this round robin is the only real way to get _________.biz. But with a 1.67% chance you do not have much of a scope. We can increase your chances from 1.67% to around 98% AT NO COST.

    In a unique one of its kind IP Protection program, in order to assist your chances, we have submitted __________.biz to queues of a large number of Registrars on your behalf. We thus have almost a 98% chance of getting _________.biz for you. We represent the Directi IP Protection program for .BIZ. We are helping a large number of IP Claimants like you obtain their rightful names. Unlike other Registrars we have catered only to genuine IP Claimants and trademark holders.

    You DO NOT have to pay us anything right now. What you need to do however is prove that you are the genuine IP Claimant for ________.biz, since we do not wish to cater to speculators or cybersquatters. You can do this by following the steps below

    1. Visit http://namesecure.directi.com/namesecure/step1.jsp?domainname=____________.biz& ipclaimid=_____

    2. Paste the below security code in the box provided on that page

    Security Code: ________

    The above two steps establish that you are the genuine IP Claimant for .BIZ. We have a 98% chance of registering ________.biz. If you follow the above steps we will transfer the name to you immediately after its Registration.

    If we DO MANAGE to get _______.biz for you, we will charge you a modest fee of $149. However if a speculator gets it instead of you, you will end up paying $1500 to get it back. It is better to increase your chances of getting __________.biz for FREE. You do not need to pay us ANYTHING right now. BUT YOU MUST follow the above steps in order to establish your genuineness as an IP Claimant.

    Click here to find out more about our research, and how we can actually increase your chances of getting _______.biz to around 98%. Alternatively you can Chat live with our IP Protection team, online. Click the LIVE CHAT link below OR write us at ipclaim@directi.com

    DETAILS OF YOUR IP CLAIM
    Trademark or Service Mark:
    IP Claim String and Identification Number:
    Alleged Date of First Use: .
    Country of First Use:
    Trademark Status:
    Date "Registered" or "Applied For":
    International Class:

    Best Regards
    IP Protection Team
    Directi
    http://www.directi.com
    ipclaim@directi.com
    Tel: 91-22-6370256
    Fax: 91-22-6370255

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    Re: Possible fraud attempt on IP Claims for blocke
    by Anonymous on Wednesday March 13 2002, @10:14AM (#5259)
    Directi apparently submitted registration applications in the group 2B round robin for many domain names for which IP claims had been filed, with the intent of selling those slots or the resulting names to IP claimants. That would explain how Directi is getting the IP claimants' contact details -- they appear right in the IP claim notices that Directi is receiving from Neulevel (and which Directi uses to generate the spams to IP claimants a few minutes later). Surely Neulevel must be able to do something about this practice beyond just referring people to the STOP, RDRP, or UDRP. Directi is a Neulevel-accredited .BIZ registrar; maybe the terms of its registrar contract are applicable here.


    I can think of a few possible explanations for the 1.67% and 98% figures. First, they could be Directi's estimates of the proportions of applicants who choose to "cancel" or "proceed" in response to Neulevel IP claim notices, though that seems unlikely, and Directi probably would not have access to such statistics. Second, they could be based upon an assumption that Directi itself submitted most of the applications for these domain names that made it into the round robin. That too seems unlikely, even if Directi submitted through many different registrars (and I wouldn't be surprised if Directi only submitted applications through itself as the registrar). Or third, they may just be concocted to make Directi's offering sound more attractive -- that's my best guess.


    I wonder -- does Directi require payment of the $149 fee now, or only after its registration of a domain is confirmed by Neulevel and Directi actually transfers the domain to the IP claimant? If the latter is true, then I doubt many IP claimants will complain very loudly -- it would indeed be cheaper to buy a domain from Directi for $149 than to spend over $1000 to dispute it. But that probably giving Directi too much credit -- they probably want the money now.


    Directi's contact details on its web site are very sketchy (take an auto-rickshaw from McDonald's to a church, then ask for directions); perhaps they have some sort of concealed presence in the USA, making ACPA lawsuits a realistic option.


    By the way, it would be interesting to see the full mail headers on one of Directi's spams, if anyone is willing to post them.

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    Re: Possible fraud attempt on IP Claims for blocke
    by Anonymous on Thursday March 14 2002, @07:10AM (#5285)

    I too thought that Directi is doing something wrong before i found the below:

    I checked up on Directi and Bhavin Turakhia by doing various searches through goggle and other places and below is all the information i got:

    * Bhavin Turakhia from Directi has always tried helping trademark holders. During the time of .info Land Rush when many fraudulent trademarks were registered the largest research about the same was done by Mr turakhia which is still available online at

    http://names.directi.com/

    Wired, ZDnet and Nameengine has carried a story mentionings bhavin's quotes as he was one of the most active people against fraudulent registrations
    http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,45900,00.html

    http://www.nameengine.com/news/

    I found a massive post by bhavin against the fraudulent registrations on icann watch itself
    http://www.icannwatch.org/article.php?sid=283

    It seems Zdnet no longer has the story on their site but i found this link which is a cached paged from goggle. ZDnet had carried an extensive story on the research done by Bhavin about the fraudulent registrations.

    http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:K13G_ufptfYC:news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2092829,00.html+bhavin+turakhia+.info&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1

    From all the above articles i gather that Bhavin and Directi are truly trying to help IP Claimants and are trying to reduce the number of domains that speculators manage to squat

    I believe Bhavin and Directi are doing something very good here and i think other registrars should also come up with innovative ideas to ensure that genuine ip claimants get their names and not GODDAMMED Speculators

    KEEP IT UP BHAVIN. Wish you all the luck.

    Regards
    David
     

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    Re: Possible fraud attempt on IP Claims for blocke
    by Anonymous on Thursday March 14 2002, @07:37AM (#5289)
    I too agree with David.

    I Just called up Directi and had a long conversation with their biz ip protection team.

    I clarified the below which seemed important for me to post

    1) Directi is applying for only those domains where the IP claimant puts in a security code. Thus increasing the chances of getting the domain for the ip claimant only if the ip claimant so wishes. In case the IP claimant does not wish for Directi to apply in their behalf then they dont even need to get in touch with Directi for the same. The application is automatically canceled if the security is not put in.

    2) Directi is not applying for domains where there are multiple ip claimants. thus they are not increasing chances for 1 claimaint when the other one has equal right to the same.

    I confirmed my security code with them. The process is for really helping Trademark Holders. If they are applying through multiple registrars it does help me increase my chances. I had applied only through one. I just learned that since there are 80 registrars, if each one has 1 application for my domain then my chances are 1/80 which is 1.25%. Thats lesser than the above posted 1.67%.


    I think ICANN should encourage more companies like these to become registrars than approve those who sell thier queues to speculators.
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