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    Re: The XXX-piring Namespace - More Semantic Attac
    by joppenheimer on Monday October 29 2001, @03:21AM (#3234)
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    Ron's exactly right ... some randomly dialed 800 numbers held by adult companies convert as high as 5% or more to paid customers. (The direct response benchmark for successful *targeted* campaigns, is 2%.)

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    Re: The XXX-piring Namespace - More Semantic Attac
    by fnord ({groy2k} {at} {yahoo.com}) on Thursday November 01 2001, @03:32PM (#3333)
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    Ron_Bennett writes:
    Relax...the adult industry has been using similar tactics with toll-free phone numbers for years
    I fail to see how a toll-free number equates to a screen full of explicit porn, and if the adult industry is using toll-free numbers previously targetted at and intended for children I don't think that is anything to relax about either.
    If companies would pay their bills ONTIME they wouldn't lose their domains and thus wouldn't have such problems...Right?
    Wrong. Did you actually read my submission? Some of these people, and they aren't all companies, lost their names through no fault of their own. Have you never had a problem with a registrar? As some of the proposals for handling expired names would place a higher premium on them than if they were simply renewed, registrars have a built-in financial incentive to allow them to expire.
    if one intends to reach website "company.com" and they somehow are redirected to "nudepixs.com" instead, one would expect they would LEAVE and correct their mistake...right?
    Wrong again, if they're mousetrapped and/or have multiple spawned popups, which is the norm. Did you even read my submission?
    But it turns out that some people when misdirected for whatever reason, instead of leaving, they will actually whip out their credit card and SPEND MONEY on a website they didn't even intend to reach...and NO ONE FORCED them to do that. Right?
    Right, no one forced the children hit with this exploit to whip out their credit card. This is disingenuous at best.
    why let expired domains go unused anyways
    Um, how about because they're someone's intellectual property? I'm not a fan of too much of intellectual property rights being mapped to domain names, but what we're talking about here is not just the name. They've been submitted to search engines, are linked to, bookmarked, added to email address books, et cetera, with a certain intention, they are then hijacked for a different intention. It wouldn't be rocket science to automate a search on about to be expired domains, check their links in, check their search engine rankings, check their hits, and then go for the most popular names, I don't doubt it is being done already. But to then re-register that name based on its popularity rather than its intent, and to use that name to push pornography, at best uncaring whether it is seen by children, at worst targetting them, well, that was not the way the DNS was intended to work.

    I notice that snapnames, which had another of the proposals for handling expired names, has a hot 100 list of expired names. Going to many of them one finds the same technique in play, though they don't list adult domains. Someone going to what was once one site is now another. Snapnames also mentions in their recent newsletter that some people register names for only 4 or 5 days and use them for affiliate clickthru money and then cancel them without penalty. That snapnames or afternic should be in charge of expiring names will just make more of a mess of the DNS.

    ...the adult industry helps maximize economy by recycling domains which helps registrars stay in business and in turn reduces the need to add more TLDs. A win win situation
    Most people don't win by having porn pushed at them through misrepresentation, most people don't win by having fewer TLDs. There are more important things than maximizing profits for registrars or porn merchants. Ron, I often appreciate your posts here and elsewhere, but this is just so wrongheaded I can't believe it.

    BTW, Bruce Schneier, from whom I took the term semantic attacks, and whose name I mis-spelled, will be a featured speaker at MdR. -g

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