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    Re: .biz Is Tiny -- or Is It?
    by Anonymous on Tuesday June 19 2001, @10:12PM (#903)
    It seems to me that the date at which the various .biz's went into "the stream of commerce", i.e. the date they began offering registrations or began using the .biz name to designate their respective service offerings, is more important to establishing their relative priority than is the number of registrations.

    As for raw counts - It does seem that at the during the calendar year 2000 that the Pacific Root version of .biz had sold more registrations than Boeing had sold 747's. Yet nobody seems to doubt the strength of the 747 brand name.
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    Re: .biz Is Tiny -- or Is It?
    by alexander on Wednesday June 20 2001, @08:22AM (#913)
    User #22 Info | http://www.icannchannel.de

    (Strangely, however, Edelman's statistics show many people seeming to have registered in .biz after ICANN's selection of NeuLevel, at which point an registration in the PacificRoot .biz was presumably less attractive.)

    I wonder whether the AtlanticRoot .biz has not simply become more well-known after ICANN's decision that .biz would be among the new TLDs -- one would expect a lot of media coverage.

    If you searched for ".biz TLD" on the Net after reading about a new .biz TLD, you probably found www.biztld.net, "The .BIZ TLD Registry(tm)", which is the AtlanticRoot version of it. ICANN's decision to grant .biz (and the ensuing media coverage) may have helped the AtlanticRoot .BIZ to get noticed.

    - Alexander
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    WHOIS Ben Edelman?
    by Anonymous on Wednesday June 20 2001, @10:04AM (#914)

    Read the rest of this comment...

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    Re: .biz Is Tiny -- or Is It?
    by joppenheimer on Wednesday June 20 2001, @09:22PM (#916)
    User #5 Info | http://JudithOppenheimer.com
    Edelman writes, "I want to be clear that the study is my own. It has not been approved or endorsed by the Berkman Center; I post it on the Berkman
    Center's web server thanks to my ongoing affiliation with the Berkman Center, but that does not mean that the Center endorses my findings in any institutional sense." (See http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga-full/Arc07/msg03414.html.)

    Given the implied endorsement of publishing under the cyber.law.harvard.edu domain, perhaps Edelman should have prefaced his "study" with this disclaimer.

    I also want to respond to a comment here by alexander that "The source of what you call "unverified data" is the ARNI-.biz Whois database of PacificRoot, so it's not "innocent incompetence" to use this data. "

    I agree. Its not "innocent incompetence." It is by all appearances intentionally misleading, and attempts to hold ARNI to a higher standard than the rest of the industry.

    NSI whois data is anything but accurate. The company has stated that it should not be used for ascertaining creation dates or expiration dates, nor has NSI an audit trail for past ownership of domain names.

    Jonathan Cohen of ICANN's own IPC goes so far as to state, "Among the most serious problems with the current [com/net/org] WHOIS system are: (i) inaccurate and/patently false, and incomplete registrant data;..." (see http://ipc.songbird.com/apram.htm.)

    If Ben Edelman isn't aware of this common-knowledge information about whois databases in general and their inapplicability for research conclusiveness, is he qualified to be addressing this subject at all (assuming his questions have any validity)?

    If he is aware, why is he purposefully publishing misleading data?*


    *Having been provided accurate information by ARNI after the fact (since he didn't interview the company before publishing), I asked Edelman if he intended to verify the information provided and then update his report accordingly.

    He replied, "It remains my belief that every aspect of my report is in fact correct when understood in the context of qualifications given on that page," then, "We clearly see things differently here. I appreciate that you took the time to tell me your perspective, and hope you feel the same about my own efforts to date, but I don't want to waste your time, nor mine, with further back-and-forth on this topic. At the moment, I'm prepared to let my research speak for itself."

    A textbook Dyson response, if you ask me.
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    Re: .biz Is Tiny -- or Is It?
    by Anonymous on Thursday June 21 2001, @01:07AM (#922)

    How much are the Harvard law students paid to attend ICANN meetings ?

    How much are the Harvard law students paid to
    write pro-ICANN documents ?
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    Re: .biz Is Tiny -- or Is It?
    by Anonymous on Friday June 22 2001, @07:40AM (#942)
    WHOIS ?

    William Walsh

    Leah Gallegos

    William Walsh

    Dassa Lynch

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