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    Re: noisey, U.S. centric views
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Tuesday October 08 2002, @05:06AM (#9634)
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    ICANN considered it its duty to release ICP-3, in which they contend:
    The DNS is a globally distributed database of domain name (and other) information. One of its core design goals is that it reliably provides the same answers to the same queries from any source on the public Internet...
    Now China clearly doesn't buy into this global accessibility. Some may recall that new.net, a so-called alternate root, was treated much like the Falun Gong due to their allegedly not going along with this global accessibility. It strikes me as strange that on the one hand ICANN considers global accessibility a sort of holy grail, while on the other hand they go blithely into the belly of the beast. Now I suppose that one could argue that ICANN is intentionally going to China in hopes of bringing them around, but I'll believe that when I see it.

    Ben Edelman also studied internet filtering in China, including a tool for testing which URLs are blocked. ICANNWatch.org isn't at present. :) The non-complete list of those that are or have been blocked by China is impressive. I mean what did uscourts.gov, mit.edu, or lysanderspooner.org do to get on this list?

    I find this whole thing kind of silly anyway. As I've pointed out on various occasions, while my access to google.com is not blocked in Canada, my attempt to go there with my web-broswer sends me instead to google.ca, if I want a yahoo.com email address I am instead given yahoo.ca. There is no global internet, the only issue is who is deciding who accesses what. Now as I also pointed out at the time that China was blocking google.com (and google.ca), one could simply go to aol.com from China and do a google search. All that such repression does is teach people how to work around it, the more sophisticated the filtering, the more sophisticated users become. -g

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    Re: noisey, U.S. centric views by fnord
    Plans for reseach on filtering in China
    by BenEdelman on Wednesday October 09 2002, @11:27AM (#9681)
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    A bit more on the work I and Professor Zittrain are doing on this subject --

    1) We're providing a real-time testing system that allows anyone interested to see what's blocked and what seemingly remains accessible.

    2) We're continuing to test a large number of sites over time, preparing a full report that reaches conclusions re what kinds of content China seems to consider most objectionable, changes over time, changes between regions, etc. We'll follow the general model of our similar report on Saudi Arabian filtering of earlier this summer.

    Ben Edelman
    Berkman Center for Internet & Society

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    Re: noisey, U.S. centric views
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Tuesday October 08 2002, @06:29AM (#9640)
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    Anon writes:
    I will take any explanation of what "bringing them around" could possibly mean where 1) ICANN expertise is concerned and/or 2) the structural make-up of the ICANN entity as recognized by China.
    Well, ICANN tries to convince the Chinese authorities of the wisdom of ICP-3. If current trends continue, within this decade there will be more internet users inside China than everywhere else put together. If they want to maintain a Great Fire Wall, then perhaps they should be left to that. OTOH China and the Ukraine, for a couple of examples, are known as sources of software piracy. The US uses the threat of trade sanctions to get them to clean up their act. Isn't that interfering in internal matters of another country? Admittedly that is the USG and not ICANN doing so, but I think the principle remains the same. If China won't play nice with the global internet, why go there?

    I believe it is your ISP that is re-directing your yahoo.com inquiry. You continue to support this when you pay your ISP each month.
    No, it is yahoo.com sniffing out my incoming IP address. It knows that that IP block is assigned in Canada (this isn't foolproof) so it redirects me to yahoo.ca. I can mask my IP and get around it if necessary. My point was that someone somewhere is making the decision that I will access something different than you do, and we may each be unaware of that. This is a widespread practice and I feel it is growing. ICP-3 ignores that and is less relevant in consequence. -g
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