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    Pick up the phone!
    by Kieren McCarthy on Saturday March 31 2007, @03:10PM (#16922)
    User #4206 Info
    This is getting ridiculous.

    Now you appear to be implying that the President's Strategy Committee is secretive. You even ran a long post of it [icannwatch.org] - on this site - back in August last year - more than six months ago.

    I have been trying for ages to get people involved in this - I have spoken to lots of people and I have posted news stories about the committee and where it was going.

    I have even personally phoned into two open and public meetings of the committee and asked questions about it. Most recently I created an entire website that had as its first event a president's strategy committee meeting and where anyone could add comments and ask questions that would then be put directly and publicly to the committee.

    If there is no other input, what on earth do you expect a committee to do except run with what it has come up with?

    Don't start complaining after the event and - yet again - suggest that there is some kind of conspiracy at work. If you don't like something, say so when people are actually having the meeting, not once they have held three meeting public meetings and heard nothing back.

    I wish ICANNWatch would switch its focus to involving people rather than complaining about what comes out after a massive lack of involvement.

    If you want any help, if you can suggest what could be done to improve public participation, if you can suggest changes to improve the process, please just contact me.

    General manager of public participation, ICANN
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    Re:Pick up the phone!
    by KarlAuerbach on Saturday March 31 2007, @11:21PM (#16925)
    User #3243 Info | http://www.cavebear.com/
    Many of us have been trying to "talk to ICANN" for a decade.

    We see committees come, committees go, again and again and again.

    Rarely have our ideas been listened to.

    While we are locked out we see the trademark industry get a well lubricated path into the inner sanctum; their proposals (e.g. the UDRP, sunrise, limited allocation of new TLDs) get railroaded through.

    Perhaps it is to be expected that we no longer jump very high when yet another "public comment" period is announced by ICANN.

    Besides, until we, the community of internet users obtain the original promise from ICANN, a vote for a majority of the seats on the board of directors, don't expect much enthusiam. We do not accept the ALAC as even being close to meeting that promise. It is not hard to notice that ICANN's puppet ALAC, even after years of ICANN life support, has about as many life signs as a corpse on a TV detective show.

    If you want to know what we would say, I suggest that you read what we have said, and said, and said again. Let's begin at the beginning, with the materials many of us submitted in 1998:

    - My comments to NTIA about what would become ICANN: http://www.cavebear.com/nsf-dns/ntia-comments.html

    - The Boston Working Group Proposal to NTIA - http://www.cavebear.com/bwg/

    - Wrong Turn in Cyberspace - http://personal.law.miami.edu/~froomkin/articles/i cann.pdf

    The list can go on and on and on and on...

    And rarely has ICANN listened.

    Instead when we did participate we were publicly labeled as "arrogant" and "juvenile" by ICANN's President. And those of us so labeled included many highly respected people in the academic, technical, and legal communities.

    We watched ICANN's interim/initial board extend itself time and time again, becoming "boardsquatters".

    I was elected to ICANN's board of directors in the only election ICANN has ever allowed. And once seated I and found that ICANN decided to undermine everything I said even to the degree of engaging in activity that that a court eventually declared unlawful.

    The Director elected from Europe received similar treatment.

    Many of us have learned that trying to participate in ICANN is about as useful as Joseph K's attempts to participate in his Trial (from Kafka's book, The Trial.)

    So, I appreciate your efforts, but they are facing a long history of disrespect for those of who try to participate. And as for the "President's Strategy Committee" - some of us have real lives and work to support our families. ICANN is so ramified that only a full time person can keep up. And the President's Committee was only one of ICANN's "processes" that was running at the same time.

    Prove to us that ICANN listens.
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    Re:Pick up the phone!
    by michael (froomkin@lawUNSPAM.tm) on Monday April 02 2007, @04:52AM (#16933)
    User #4 Info | http://www.discourse.net/
    Actually, what we're about primarily is DOCUMENTING what ICANN does. That does tend to be after the fact. But since ICANN routinely lies about what it does, and even has been known to backdate documents, that is an important function.

    I'm sure you, as an ICANN employee, would prefer not to have critics but, unsurprisingly, wishing does not make it so.

    Perhaps if ICANN were to actually give end-users real power in the organization, those who think end-user issues are important might engage with it again despite having been burned so many times in the past.

    Incidentally, I might note for your information -- since you like to insult people as not working in the particular ways you approve of (ie. inside ICANN) and don't seem very well informed about us here -- that I am on the Nomcom, and that I am therefore deeply engaged in trying to make ICANN better in a manner entirely consistent with my view of how ICANN works (the Board rules).

    In general, may I suggest that you re-think how you intend to engage your critics. Your method of insulting and attacking them is not going to productive. It may please your masters in the short run, but it may also lead to a short tenure as when you become the flashpoint for controversy you will find that they consider you disposable ... much as they have previous spokespersons.
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    Re:Pick up the phone!
    by ehasbrouck on Saturday April 21 2007, @10:58PM (#16943)
    User #3130 Info | http://hasbrouck.org
    "If you don't like something, say so when people are actually having the meeting, not once they have held three meeting public meetings and heard nothing back.... If you want any help, if you can suggest what could be done to improve public participation, if you can suggest changes to improve the process, please just contact me."

    The President's Strategy Committee didn't "hear nothing back". They heard from me, and others, suggesting specific changes to improve ICANN's prcess. My posting to the forum designated for that purpose is at:


    I can find no evidence that this or any of the other suggestions in that forum were given any consideration at all.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]

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