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    shock, and awe
    by fnord (reversethis-{moc.oohay} {ta} {k2yorg}) on Monday April 24 2006, @08:45AM (#16720)
    User #2810 Info
    If only various of the many ICANN critics could be as tenacious as Edward Hasbrouck in going after a specific topic, surely ICANN's house of cards would have long since toppled.

    I googled [google.ca] the adr.org website for references to ICANN and came up with zero even remotely related to independent review. There is no way to paint this complementarily: either Vint Cerf is lying or he is incompetent. -g

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    ICANN/ISOC is the Master of Liability Deflection
    by Anonymous on Monday April 24 2006, @09:31AM (#16721)
    ICANN/ISOC is the Master of Liability Deflection

    People just do not get it. The spooks, academics,
    and legal players behind the whole Cerf Society
    house of cards (ICANN, ISOC, ARIN, etc.) are
    masters of Liability Deflection.

    All of the systems they have set up are designed to
    provide a continuous run-around. Most people get
    tired of the game and fade from the scene.

    If you have an issue with a Registry, the Registry
    will tell you ICANN makes them do what they do.
    ICANN claims the Registries operate on their own.
    Registrars are the same way, they claim the
    Registry calls the shots, yet they pay ICANN to
    endorse them as Registrars. It is ironic that the
    entire concept of a Registry and Registrar is
    totally artificial, and not needed. The Cerf
    Society just makes it all up as they go along.

    One of the main attributes of the Cerf Society is
    that they are never responsible or accountable
    for anything. Pay no attention to what they do
    with all the revenues. That is their private
    money they treat like donations. The Consensus
    Sham is one of their many outs, which they invoke
    to give people the old verbal kiss off (.VKO).
    They claim everything is based on "Community
    Consensus". It is a street-gang-like cop-out.

    They have built billion dollar personal fortunes
    on it, for decades. They really believe that they
    are "right" and a "success". They tell each other
    that every chance they get, but they never line
    up to be accountable or responsible.

    ICANN's next secret move is of course to deflect
    a lot of attention and liability to the new
    NeuStar conglomerate the insiders are building
    to serve ICANN. Watch the shell game as the .XXX
    liabilities are pushed off to New.Net and the
    new "community" ICANN is grooming. ICANN has
    plenty of funding and is not going to risk any
    of that. The new game (actually the old game also)
    is to control, grow, and deflect 99% of the
    legal liabilities to suckers in line ready to
    carry the ball, and pay ICANN for the honor of
    doing that.
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    Courts Ready to Cut-Off Registrar's Access
    by Anonymous on Wednesday April 26 2006, @09:31AM (#16723)
    Courts Ready to Cut-Off Registrar's Access

    What happens when (not if) Verisign is handed
    a court order to cut-off connections to Registrars
    that are conspiring with Verisign and ICANN to
    violate the ACPA ?

    "The Anticybersquatting Consumer Protection Act is a federal law that took affect on November 29, 1999. This new domain name dispute law is intended to give trademark and service mark owners legal remedies against defendants who obtain domain names "in bad faith" that are identical or confusingly similar to a trademark or service mark. If a mark is a famous mark, the same remedies are available if the domain name is identical to, confusingly similar to or dilutive of the mark."

    What's the Quickest & Easiest Way for Domain Name Owner to Lose an ACPA Lawsuit?

    If the domain name owner, including a domain name owner that may not otherwise be liable under the ACPA, offers at any time to sell or transfer the domain name for value, most courts will find that the owner has acted in bad faith and if the other elements of the case are proven, the plaintiff will win.
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    ICANN, the IETF and IAB Use the Same Run Arounds
    by Anonymous on Wednesday April 26 2006, @10:34AM (#16725)
    We have received your previous notes on draft-iab-idn-nextsteps-04 from the document editors.

    We have seen the intensive communication between you and the editors on the UTC review of an earlier version of the draft. We realize that certain technical issues you raised remained an issue in version 04 of the draft. Having reviewed those issues carefully, we remain convinced that much of the disparity of viewpoint stems from a difference in perceived intention for the document.

    As stated in the document's opening remarks, the goal of the document is simply and strictly to provide a survey of the issues that have been identified as impediments to deploying IDNs in the way that meets the end users' expectations, and provide action plans for how the IETF (and other organizations, like ICANN) can address those issues. A specific non-goal of this document is to evaluate each one of those issues.

    It would therefore be presumptuous for us to drop issues that have been raised by the community at large, whether or not there is an expectation they will turn out to be a non-issue. The evaluation and conclusion of these issues is to be reached by the consensus driven IETF processes. Some of the points UTC has flagged as "non issues" will therefore remain listed in the document.

    There are also some other issues where the IAB sees the UTC does not agree with the position stated in the document. Clearly, many individuals and organisations have different views on sensitive subjects like internationalization, and we have tried to be as neutral as possible. We reiterate that these are our positions, and we've done our best to identify them as such, even as we recognize this may mean the UTC disagrees with some of them.

    We are at a stage that the discussion should move out of the IAB and into the public. Further revising details in the document could cause further comments and further delays to publication and delay of the discussion and evaluations that should take place in the engineering and policy arena.

    As a practical matter, we want to appropriately acknowledge the contributers to this document, you being a valuable one of them. To avoid possible confusion on the level of support we plan to add the last sentence of what follows to the acknowledgments section of the document:

            The contributions to this report from members of the
            IAB-IDN ad hoc committee are gratefully acknowledged.
            In particular, this report does not claim to reflect the
            views either of the Unicode Consortium as a whole or particular
            participants in the work of the consortium.

    We hope you find this appropriate, too.

    Of course, we hope you and the UTC will continue to be active in the IETF and other fora during the discussions that are expected to follow on from this survey of issues.
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    ICANNWatch Now an Official Voice in a Vacuum
    by Anonymous on Wednesday April 26 2006, @10:43AM (#16726)

    Read the rest of this comment...

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    Wide-Spread Consensus - Route Around ICANN
    by Anonymous on Wednesday April 26 2006, @10:54AM (#16727)
    Curiouser and curiouser, Alice!

    I guess someone should be out there tilting at

    But surely you can't be the only one?

    If ICANN is so unresponsive and recalcitrant, then
    where is the angry swarm of other complaintants? Has
    everyone else given up and resigned to the status quo,
    as dictated to them by ICANN?

    So ICANN swat away a few minor irritants, while either
    A) selling out to the big-money interests, or B) doing
    nothing for so long that other countries get fed up, and
    start running their own root. (Wouldn't THAT be fun!)

    Anyway, sooner or later people are going to realize that
    the small number of TLDs is an artifically-created
    shortage. When that occurs, they will naturally act to
    correct it. To the extent that ICANN attempts to impede
    that progress, they will be worked around and made
    irrelevant. This might happen in as little as a couple
    of years, or it might take another decade. But it will
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    ICANN Secretly Spinning Off Companies to Dump Cash
    by Anonymous on Wednesday April 26 2006, @11:08AM (#16728)
    ICANN Secretly Spinning Off Companies to Dump Cash

    The .NET Registry fees that ICANN wrote into their
    own contract (despite once claiming they would never
    do that) have to be spent or "donated".

    Vinton Cerf is lining up a wide range of cronies to
    fund with the "soft money". Don't expect to see any
    accounting on how the funds are allocated.
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    2006 GeoDomain Expo
    by Anonymous on Thursday April 27 2006, @10:40AM (#16729)
    2006 GeoDomain Expo

    The 2006 GeoDomain Expo, presented by Associated Cities, will be held June 2 and June 3 at the Hyatt Regency Chicago. New.Net .TRAVEL domainers Welcome!!! Come see and buy the .TRAVEL Router from FON.COM in person, with the all of the New.NET TLDs builtin. Buy, sell and auction your .TRAVEL domains, for .CASH, via the private and discreet wireless domain exchange channels. Watch as couriers criss-cross the room with brief-cases loaded with large bills.

    The 2006 GeoDomain Expo is the only time of the year to meet and greet with the owners of more than 85 U.S. major city and destination sites including NewYorkCity.com, LosAngeles.com, Chicago.com, Dallas.com, SanFrancisco.com, Nashville.com and Atlanta.com as well as international strategic leaders of the GeoDomain industry such as Acapulco.com and BuenosAires.com. It will be the largest and most important gathering to date of the owners of the most lucrative properties on the Web.
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    ICANN Manipulates Board "Non-Elections"
    by Anonymous on Thursday April 27 2006, @11:12AM (#16733)
    I wanted to announce my resignation from the Nominating Committee as a
    representative from the BC, and advise fellow councilors of my interest in
    standing for election to the vacant Board seat now open for nomination.

      In order to stand for election, I have advised the Nominating Committee
    that I am resigning [from the Nominating Committee]and have asked to be
    removed from the Nominating Committee list and activities.

    In order to be fully transparent, I advise the Council that I am disputing
    an interpretation by the General Counsel regarding my eligibility to stand
    for election due to the Nominating Committee service. I have filed an
    ombudsman's appeal and am preparing a Reconsideration Request. In my view, I
    am fully qualified, now that I have resigned from the Nominating committee
    to be a candidate for election. The General Counsel has disagreed with my
    eligibility status, thus my appeals through the ombudsman, and possibly

    I don't mean to clog the Council list with this topic, since that would be
    inappropriate, but please do let me know of any questions you may have. If
    nominated and seconded, then I'll have a chance to campaign, like any other
    candidate. At this point, the purpose of this posting is informational.
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    ICANN Insiders Now Play On-Line Games for Reality
    by Anonymous on Thursday April 27 2006, @11:36AM (#16735)
    ICANN Insiders Now Play On-Line Games for Reality

    When the IANA Game hits the market, people will
    be able to start and run their own non-profit
    sham and save the world and travel around in real
    life on the money made from the game.

    What are ICANN insiders doing to prepare for the
    IANA Game ?

    Over dinner, Bill Manning mentioned that the DoC is doing a request for information on IANA. It was quite werid because I cannot find it on NTIA website. Anyway, the request for information can be found at FBO website instead. Particularly, note this "The Department of Commerce, National Telecommunications and Information Administration (DOC/NTIA) is exploring options for Contractor performance of three, interdependent technical Internet coordinating functions.".

    Not too sure what it means but my gut feeling says this is pretty significant.

    Btw, a couple of people gave me funny looks when I login to Warcraft. Speaking of which, you might be interested to check out some news on our guild: C|net and 1Up, both got Slashdotted. It's a really cool guild. Just a couple days ago, after a semi-successful run with some guildies, Joi whispered me: "You know the warrior in your group? It would be funny for you to know he is John Crain from ICANN." John and me know each another...we just didn't know each another in the game :-)
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    The Oldest Domain Names Fading Away ???
    by Anonymous on Thursday April 27 2006, @12:23PM (#16736)
    1. 15-Mar-1985 SYMBOLICS.COM 2. 24-Apr-1985 BBN.COM 3. 24-May-1985 THINK.COM 4. 11-Jul-1985 MCC.COM 5. 30-Sep-1985 DEC.COM 6. 07-Nov-1985 NORTHROP.COM 7. 09-Jan-1986 XEROX.COM 8. 17-Jan-1986 SRI.COM 9. 03-Mar-1986 HP.COM 10. 05-Mar-1986 BELLCORE.COM 11= 19-Mar-1986 IBM.COM 11= 19-Mar-1986 SUN.COM 13= 25-Mar-1986 INTEL.COM 13= 25-Mar-1986 TI.COM 15. 25-Apr-1986 ATT.COM 16= 08-May-1986 GMR.COM 16= 08-May-1986 TEK.COM 18= 10-Jul-1986 FMC.COM 18= 10-Jul-1986 UB.COM 20= 05-Aug-1986 BELL-ATL.COM 20= 05-Aug-1986 GE.COM 20= 05-Aug-1986 GREBYN.COM 20= 05-Aug-1986 ISC.COM 20= 05-Aug-1986 NSC.COM 20= 05-Aug-1986 STARGATE.COM 26. 02-Sep-1986 BOEING.COM 27. 18-Sep-1986 ITCORP.COM 28. 29-Sep-1986 SIEMENS.COM 29. 18-Oct-1986 PYRAMID.COM 30= 27-Oct-1986 ALPHACDC.COM 30= 27-Oct-1986 BDM.COM 30= 27-Oct-1986 FLUKE.COM 30= 27-Oct-1986 INMET.COM 30= 27-Oct-1986 KESMAI.COM 30= 27-Oct-1986 MENTOR.COM 30= 27-Oct-1986 NEC.COM 30= 27-Oct-1986 RAY.COM 30= 27-Oct-1986 ROSEMOUNT.COM 30= 27-Oct-1986 VORTEX.COM 40= 05-Nov-1986 ALCOA.COM 40= 05-Nov-1986 GTE.COM 42= 17-Nov-1986 ADOBE.COM 42= 17-Nov-1986 AMD.COM 42= 17-Nov-1986 DAS.COM 42= 17-Nov-1986 DATA-IO.COM 42= 17-Nov-1986 OCTOPUS.COM 42= 17-Nov-1986 PORTAL.COM 42= 17-Nov-1986 TELTONE.COM 42= 11-Dec-1986 3COM.COM 50= 11-Dec-1986 AMDAHL.COM 50= 11-Dec-1986 CCUR.COM 50= 11-Dec-1986 CI.COM 50= 11-Dec-1986 CONVERGENT.COM 50= 11-Dec-1986 DG.COM 50= 11-Dec-1986 PEREGRINE.COM 50= 11-Dec-1986 QUAD.COM 50= 11-Dec-1986 SQ.COM 50= 11-Dec-1986 TANDY.COM 50= 11-Dec-1986 TTI.COM 50= 11-Dec-1986 UNISYS.COM 61= 19-Jan-1987 CGI.COM 61= 19-Jan-1987 CTS.COM 61= 19-Jan-1987 SPDCC.COM 64. 19-Feb-1987 APPLE.COM 65= 04-Mar-1987 NMA.COM 65= 04-Mar-1987 PRIME.COM 67. 04-Apr-1987 PHILIPS.COM 68= 23-Apr-1987 DATACUBE.COM 68= 23-Apr-1987 KAI.COM 68= 23-Apr-1987 TIC.COM 68= 23-Apr-1987 VINE.COM 72. 30-Apr-1987 NCR.COM 73= 14-May-1987 CISCO.COM 73= 14-May-1987 RDL.COM 75. 20-May-1987 SLB.COM 76= 27-May-1987 PARCPLACE.COM 76= 27-May-1987 UTC.COM 78. 26-Jun-1987 IDE.COM 79. 09-Jul-1987 TRW.COM 80. 13-Jul-1987 UNIPRESS.COM 81= 27-Jul-1987 DUPONT.COM 81= 27-Jul-1987 LOCKHEED.COM 83. 28-Jul-1987 ROSETTA.COM 84. 18-Aug-1987 TOAD.COM 85. 31-Aug-1987 QUICK.COM 86= 03-Sep-1987 ALLIED.COM 86= 03-Sep-1987 DSC.COM 86= 03-Sep-1987 SCO.COM 89= 22-Sep-1987 GENE.COM 89= 22-Sep-1987 KCCS.COM 89= 22-Sep-1987 SPECTRA.COM 89= 22-Sep-1987 WLK.COM 93. 30-Sep-1987 MENTAT.COM 94. 14-Oct-1987 WYSE.COM 95. 02-Nov-1987 CFG.COM 96. 09-Nov-1987 MARBLE.COM 97= 16-Nov-1987 CAYMAN.COM 97= 16-Nov-1987 ENTITY.COM 99. 24-Nov-1987 KSR.COM 100. 30-Nov-1987 NYNEXST.COM
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