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    Parsons Posts Followup
    by michael (froomkin@lawUNSPAM.tm) on Tuesday April 11 2006, @05:24PM (#16681)
    User #4 Info | http://www.discourse.net/
    The .EU Landrush fiasco. New facts emerge. It's worse than we thought! [bobparsons.com]
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    ICANN Registrars Discover the Registry Shill Scam
    by Anonymous on Wednesday April 12 2006, @04:39PM (#16685)
    ICANN Registrars Discover the Registry Shill Scam

    People familiar with auctions may from time to time wonder, "what happens if the auction house plants people to bid up items ?". They are called shills.

    ICANN Registrars are starting to discover a population more sleezy and more ruthless than themselves. Yes, that is hard to imagine.

    Enter the new .EU Registry with Phantom Registrars who buy names, mark them up, and then re-sell them to suckers fronted by ICANN Registrars. It is 100% profit because if a name does not sell, it is turned back to the Registry which runs the Phantom Registrar ring.

    This phenom is not new, Network Solutions insiders used to pop up with key names when they heard a company was headed for the .COM and .NET zones.
    The insiders had an advantage because they could
    watch the whois and DNS queries and tie those to
    an ISP who was the Registrar. When the ISP would
    submit the application, the names would show up
    as registered with a date one day before the new
    request. The non-profit geeks at Network Solutions
    mostly did this to prevent for-profit companies
    from moving in on their non-profit NSF-funded
    scam. Things changed.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    Just Wait for Ambler's Enom .WEB Name Scam
    by Anonymous on Wednesday April 12 2006, @05:09PM (#16687)
    Just Wait for Ambler's Enom .WEB Name Scam

    A. Register your .WEB name with an ICANN Registrar (cough) Reseller claiming to be a Registrar.

    B. Wait to hear your name is "taken", but available.

    C. Receive your Referral to an ICANN-approved domain name attorney from the firm of Berryhill, Fausett and Palage.

    D. Pay for domain name counseling and attorney fees to breath life into your domain name.

    E. Like magic, the name becomes available, $2000
    later. [It may have never really been registered, the names in the Registry can be faked.]
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    John Kane, vice president of business development
    by Anonymous on Wednesday April 12 2006, @05:22PM (#16688)
    Registrar Sans Web Site?

    Mr. Parsons pointed to more than 50 entities on the registrar list that seem to be taken out by Bellevue, Washington-based domain-name seller eNom, many of them with the very same P.O. Box and no web site listed.

    And 402 of the registrars in New York, many of which were listed at the same five physical addresses, also did not provide web sites in their contact information, noted Mr. Parsons.

    “We all make our business on the Internet,” he said. “You need to have a web site.”

    But eNom insisted it was playing by the rules. “Every new [name space] will have a land rush, and I’m sorry Bob feels the rules weren’t slanted toward him,” said John Kane, vice president of business development at eNom.

    Mr. Kane said the large numbers of registrars with eNom addresses were due to two factors: eNom offering a more expensive price point for customers seeking higher-demand domains, as well as the company’s service of running the process in its own name for other ICANN-accredited registrars. He said the total number of eNom registrars was less than 50, but did not disclose the exact number.
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    Eurid were warned in advance
    by Richard_Henderson on Monday April 17 2006, @12:07AM (#16695)
    User #3269 Info | http://www.atlarge.org/
    I flagged up this problem at the ICANN meeting back in 2004 (see the last 3 lines of my article and the main article itself here: http://www.icann.org/meetings/capetown/icann-domai nnames-workshop-doc1-01dec04.htm ).

    I also received this assurance from Eurid in July 2005:

    "The accredited register must forward to EURid only those applications he received after accreditation, and he must do so on a first-come-first-served basis. Auctioning with the domain name is definitely not allowed. Not complying with the regulation and as well as the agreement is a breach of contract.

    On a similar note, we don't allow reselling.

    The end consumer should at at any time know who is responsible for what and who would be the accredited registrar. This should be made clear at all times and should be explicitly mentioned in the agreement with the end consumer."

    If any of these shell registrars were set up for Pool or eNom or similar 'parent' company and accredited at the last moment, it is worth noting that the majority of applications would have been received *before* accreditation (because Pool for example was inviting applications months ago).

    I also note that "auctioning is not allowed" and I note that Pool is using an "auction" model. What is Eurid's position on this?

    Finally, I don't see how the end consumer can know in advance which "shell registrar" will be their "registrar" if they apply through a 'parent' registrar. Therefore, Eurid's statement that the end consumer should know who the registrar is seems problematical.


    Richard Henderson
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