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    Re: WHOIS Enforcement Update
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Friday September 20 2002, @08:52AM (#9295)
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    To make a point? I guess you missed it. If you want a domain, lame or whatever you consider non-lame, rat them out for inaccurate WHOIS data (eg: if you're not lame mine the WHOIS for deceased @home addresses), wait for the domain to drop and Hey Presto, it's yours.

    And you might want to define what you mean by lame. It's not about kewl sounding names that you can use or resell, that's so 20th century. It's about traffic. If a lame name gets lots of traffic it's normally worth much more than a kewl sounding name that gets none. archive.org doesn't have anything for visosite.com but it was active in spamming. archive.org just balks when asked about fufus.net. While the WHOIS for visosite.com and fufus.net now shows John and Bret in that order, visosite.com presently returns a strange message, and fufus.net points to Bret's icann.blog.

    As for the remaining names which were reportedly deleted in this farcical exercise (VeriSign has many thousands of such inaccurate WHOIS records):

    kokorouta.net doesn't resolve, is apparently registered to VeriSign (no expiry date), has a bit of history at archive.org, and rates one mention (on the ICANN DNSO registrars list) via Google. VeriSign prompts me to backorder it via Snapnames.

    digeronimo.com is the same as the previous, except for one Google mention pointing here [apparently a Florida plastic surgeon], and again archive.org balks.

    kasparatisco.com is the same as the above, except archive.org, while not balking, finds nothing, and Google points here [apparently used in a Usenet spam, if you're spamming Usenet, a one-time throwaway domain for return email is presumably worth the cost of registration].

    stepup.net is a strange one. It doesn't resolve and again archive.org balks [they may be having a bad day], and Google shows a history of it being used for spam. But, while my own WHOIS tools report that it doesn't exist (via both web and direct queries), that is, is unregistered, VeriSign's WHOIS reports:

    Domain Name: STEPUP.NET
    Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC.
    Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
    Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com
    Name Server: NS3.EMAILUS-DOMAINSALESATDOMAINCOLLECTION.COM
    Name Server: NS2.TO-BUY-THIS-DOMAIN-FAX-305-463-9709.COM
    Name Server: NS44.THIS-DOMAIN-IS-FOR-SALE.COM
    Updated Date: 16-sep-2002

    >>> Last update of whois database: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 04:57:31 EDT The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and Registrars.

    Domain not found locally, but Registry points back to local DB. Local WHOIS DB must be out of date.

    Kewl nameserver names. So if you want an email address that has already been blackholed, you can now go here and pay a premium for it.

    And from this exercise one might assume that if VeriSign were to ensure that the WHOIS data of all its registrants was valid and 'delete' all those that aren't, it will greatly help SnapNames and eventually WLS, that is, VeriSign. One minute VeriSign escapes threatened ICANN dis-accreditation by the skin of its teeth through updating less than a score of thousands of incorrect WHOIS entries, the next minute they're making even more money through ICANN giving VeriSign the keys to a monopoly to resell pre-used names for more than their original price, including those that they will no doubt eventually flush out for incorrect WHOIS data. Thanks ICANN, your record of being either incompetent or corrupt continues unbroken. -g

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    Re: WHOIS Enforcement Update by fnord
    Re: WHOIS Enforcement Update
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Saturday September 21 2002, @05:14AM (#9317)
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    It is several individuals complaining which caused ICANN to complain. Beyond that, I guess you don't understand the point of trophy names. -g
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