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    Re: Early Autumn? Pre-ICANN .BIZ dumped by one alt
    by Anonymous on Sunday September 15 2002, @05:09PM (#9244)
    Your comment about the motivation of Pacroot and ARNI is partially correct.

    Pacroot was getting a lot of flak from ISPs who were potential converts to the Inclusive Namespace. Both Pacroot and one of their large registrars were feverishly trying to convince ISPs to switch and the deal-killer was always that they (the ISPs) did not want to deny their customers the ability to access the ICANN version of .BIZ. This is the "900lb gorilla syndrom" and you can bet that ICANN selected .BIZ for exactly that reason. Pacroot has a point - they needed to make a decision and it was understandable. There was no way to win the battle after this point.

    The reason that ADNS/ARNI decided as they did was not only because of the truth of what Pacroot was saying, but also because, in the end, it was STARTLING how MANY potential ISPs would switch if only this one problem would go away. There would be a potential double-digit percentage increase in INS usage overnight. Potential gains like that cannot be allowed to slip away.

    So, .BIZ was sacrificed for the greater good, so to speak. The .BIZ battle was lost but it may help INS win the war of visibility.

    As per the letter to the registrants, they have an opportunity to switch to another TLD, and neither ADNS nor ARNI will switch off .BIZ until it is empty because we have an obligation to our registrants and we wont break that promise. Neither company, however, has any control over what the root networks do, and we had to be honest with our customers about those facts.

    It is however, also in keeping with the desire to work towards our customer's best interest, that we lay out the truth before them and advise them on which direction they should take. The goal is to increase the use of the INS which in turn makes true namespace competition more possible and benefits everyone.

    Please note the contrast between this and ICANNs actions.

    John Palmer
    AGN Domain Name Service, Inc
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    Re: Early Autumn? Pre-ICANN .BIZ dumped by one alt
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Sunday September 15 2002, @06:32PM (#9245)
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    I just mentioned the dueling .biz's here yesterday and my comments somewhat fit. ARNI's .biz was crushed by a bigger gorilla but that was more dead weight than substance. I doubt there are 1,000 unique ICANN .biz websites out there, and I suspect other functions like email are also little used. If the intent is to 'empty out' ARNI's .biz, presumably the ORSC will also switch over. -g
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    Re: Early Autumn? Pre-ICANN .BIZ dumped by one alt
    by PeterBarron (pebarron@hotmail.com) on Sunday September 15 2002, @07:43PM (#9246)
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    Re: Early Autumn? Pre-ICANN .BIZ dumped by one alt
    by Anonymous on Sunday September 15 2002, @09:27PM (#9247)
    It is a sad day when the gorilla wins. However, even though the battle for .BIZ is over, the war is not. It is that much more important that ICANN not be able to destroy another TLD or harm another business. It is also critically important that duplication be avoided, especially by the USG root since it is apparent how serious an issue it can become, technically, finacially and socially.

    There is a lot more behind the story than the practicality of the pressure from ISPs, but what is most important at this point is to move forward and provide domains that have no collisions to those who now hold Original .BIZ names. We do apologize for the very short notice. We were not notifed in advance of the PacificRoot's decision and informed our registrants within hours of receiving the message via a mail list, immediately after which the root manager unsubscribed from that list.

    I would also like to point out that ADNS, contrary to statements made in an announcement by The PacificRoot, has not had reliabilty problrems with TLD servers. The TLDs are triple redundant with secondaries in other locations as well. .BIZ domains did not stop resolving at any time. However, it is now important that those who hold .BIZ domains and wish to access them via the net must use the ORSC rootzone servers to do so. ADNS has been in business for several years and has a strong reputation for honesty and integrity. John Palmer is a n IT professional. Anyone who needs information should contact info@adns.net.

    We are not giving up the fight for the inclusive name space and will not abandon our registrants or colleagues. One of the more interesting TLDs we offer is .COM2. Holders of .BIZ domains may just find that an inviting alternative with great potential. That TLD has been available for over a year, but has not been formally launched as yet. The slogan is "W're .COM2!" Enjoy. :)


    Leah Gallegos
    AtlanticRoot Network, Inc.
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    Re: Early Autumn? Pre-ICANN .BIZ dumped by one alt
    by Anonymous on Monday September 16 2002, @12:52AM (#9248)
    This really is a non-issue. Did anyone really use the alt-.biz? Its about time PACroot got with the program. Maybe if they joined up with another established player, then we might have something. But right now, they're just out on the fringe posing like a real alternative. How many people use them?
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    Re: Early Autumn? Pre-ICANN .BIZ dumped by one alt
    by Anonymous on Monday September 16 2002, @04:44AM (#9251)
    Too bad about Leah's .BIZ. Her .BIZ was so harmless compared to Name.space's 500+ TLDs. Hopefully, Name.space will go under .... after all, don't they sell .info names?
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    Re: Early Autumn? Pre-ICANN .BIZ dumped by one alt
    by Anonymous on Monday September 16 2002, @12:18PM (#9261)
    See, Leah Gallegos should have sold 500 TLDs, not just .BIZ. Then she'd still be in business, selling pretend names in a root with pretend users.

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    Re: Early Autumn? Pre-ICANN .BIZ dumped by one alt
    by Anonymous on Thursday September 19 2002, @02:45AM (#9285)
    I'm no fan of ICANN. I'm also no fan of the alternative root(s) and systems. These two sides of me co-exist.

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