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    FINALLY a Human Arrives With a Brain ????
    by Anonymous on Wednesday November 09 2005, @03:32PM (#16458)
    FINALLY a Human Arrives With a Brain ????

    "made ICANN a lightning rod to draw attention away from the real work."

    FINALLY a Human Arrives With a Brain ????

    Questioning the Illusion of Internet Governance
    Nov 09, 2005
    By Jonathan Zittrain
    [Give this Guy a Cigar - He Sees the Root Sham]

    I confess, I don’t get it. Much has been written about the apparent desire by the United Nations, spurred by China, Cuba, and other informationally repressive regimes, to “take control of the Internet.” Oddly, the concrete focus of this battle—now the topic of a Senate resolution!—is a comparatively trivial if basic part of Net architecture: the domain name system. The spotlight on domain name management is largely a combination of historical accident and the unfortunate assignment of country code domains like .uk and .eu, geographically-grounded codes that give the illusion of government outposts and control in cyberspace.

    [The spotlight on domain name management is largely a combination of historical accident and the unfortunate assignment of country code domains][by some academic kook.]

    "Controlling the Internet for real means controlling its fundamental protocols—which is to say, controlling Internet Service Providers around the world, or the manufacturers like Cisco and Juniper who make the hardware that such providers use to bring the Internet to their subscribers. China is hard at work on doing just that"

    "politicians are busy arguing about such an unimportant corner of the digital sand box—exactly, I think, what some of the technical crew intended when they peeled off domain name management and made ICANN a lightning rod to draw attention away from the real work."

    FINALLY a Human Arrives With a Brain ????
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    Re:FINALLY a Human Arrives With a Brain ????
    by Anonymous on Wednesday November 09 2005, @03:40PM (#16459)
    When all you have is a hammer, everything looks
    like a nail.

    It is very easy for ICANN groupies to enlist people
    to throw themselves at the Root Server Debate
    because they have such a shallow understanding of
    the .NET, and they see domain names as an easy money
    business. [which they will be until they are free]

    ICANN and the ICANN legal outsiders are more then
    willing to accommodate the masses attempting to
    storm the walls of the Root Zone. They make a lot
    of money selling tickets to that show. When domain
    names are free, and created in seconds, and just
    work, people will wonder where the ICANN castle
    went. They really want an evil empire to be there
    and at the moment, ICANN entertains their wishes,
    for a fee of course. Lawyers do not move a muscle
    without a fee.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    Re:FINALLY a Human Arrives With a Brain ????
    by Anonymous on Wednesday November 09 2005, @03:51PM (#16460)
    "give the illusion of government outposts and control in cyberspace."

    Yep, they are an illusion. It is amazing how
    uneducated suckers really believe a 2-letter
    sequence of characters, somehow, is a country.

    ICANN calls is a ccTLD and therefore it is a
    Country Code. They never stop to think it is all
    just made up, a script, a geek joke. It is a little
    like some of the Reality TV shows where they
    finally reveal to the people sucked in that
    all of the people are fakes. It is a game.

    No, sorry to burst people's bubble, Tony Blair
    does not have the .UK server under his bed and
    special secret keys to unlock it each night to
    add names. Harry Potter also does not run it.

    Get a clue people.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    Re:FINALLY a Human Arrives With a Brain ????
    by Anonymous on Wednesday November 09 2005, @04:13PM (#16461)
    > Control of the root matters, I'm saying, because people think it
    matters,
      > and also because it could matter. The first point is a point about the
      > legitimacy of government action. My sense is that because much of the
      > internet's infrastructure is still under American sovereign control
      > (including the root) countries have a sense that regulating the
    internet is
      > always to challenge the sovereignty of the United States.

            I think most people fail to fully understand how this aspect of
    the DNS works. Yes, ICANN may officially direct how things are to be
    done, but the root operators are a group of people, many of whom
    still remember the Postel days, and they have tended to be rather
    suspicious of all types of government interference and quite
    independent.

            I would not be surprised at all to find the root server operators
    all deciding to change overnight where they pull their updates, if a
    suitable non-governmental network organization were set up and
    presumably supported by groups like the IETF, Internet Society,
    etc....

            The link between ICANN and the root server operators is a tenuous
    one, at best. The real linchpin here is not ICANN, which I've
    believed needs to be completely thrown away and a much more
    transparent organization set up to replace it. The real linchpin
    here is the root server operators.

            Actually, the real linchpin is the Internet Systems Company, and
    through them to the rest of the root server operators.

            If the root server operators did switch, then if ICANN wanted to
    try to re-assert control, they would have to set up a parallel root
    server infrastructure, and then get all the copies of BIND in the
    world updated or replaced so that people know about the "new" roots
    and not the old ones that have switched allegiances.

            Since replacing or updating all copies of BIND is not a feasible
    task, at least not without the assistance of the Internet Systems
    Company (ISC), which is the same company that maintains the BIND code
    and also the same company that runs the largest root server instance
    (f.root-servers.net), and they have a number of people on staff who
    remember Jon Postel, I think that's the real key.

      > What non-US countries are trying to do, then, is erode any
    perception that
      > the Internet within their borders is the U.S. Internet. The root
    remains a
      > symbol, in other words, of persistent American interest, and they
    want that
      > changed.

            As far as that goes, I think that's actually a good thing. So
    long as the new "owners" of the root are suitably distanced from the
    political garbage, sanctioned by technical standards groups like the
    IETF, and keep their focus on what needs to be done to manage the
    Internet as a whole for the benefit of all netizens, then I'm all for
    it.

            Frankly, I find it hard to believe that they could do much worse
    than ICANN.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]


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