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    Re: Victory Ready To Renew MOU
    by fnord ({groy2k} {at} {yahoo.com}) on Friday September 13 2002, @11:55AM (#9218)
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    Really. ICANN has been a litany of failures. It has no at large, it has no independent review panel, it has no functional conflict of interest committee, its own Board member has to go to court to access documents from its secretive staff. Its rollout of new TLDs has been a series of unmitigated disasters (wait for that to get even worse in the coming year), it has replaced a monopoly with a cartel at the registry level, at the registrar level it has replaced a monopoly with a bunch of scammers. Its redelegation of .org (and what happened to the redelegation of .net?) is following suit. A significant number of stakeholders are holding stakes they want to drive through its tiny black heart.

    The current reform just means that the same players responsible for this constant stream of travesties will have even more power, operate more in the shadows, be even less accountable (ICANNWatching will probably become more difficult, and certainly more necessary). That Nancy Victory, despite knowing all of this and much more, would categorize this as going in the right direction, only shows that she can spout the same platitudes as Touton, Lynn, Dyson, et al, apparently without shame. If the US won't do something constructive, it's time for the rest of the world, perhaps via the ITU, to take more control. -g

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    Re: Victory Ready To Renew MOU
    by fnord ({groy2k} {at} {yahoo.com}) on Sunday September 15 2002, @06:32AM (#9239)
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    On the at-large discuss list, Vittorio Bertola disagrees regarding the ITU. Here is what the ITU proposed to ICANN, I can't see too much wrong with that, and SFAIK ICANN ignored it. Now if the ITU is even more business-and government-controlled than the present ICANN, it is at least competent, it does take consumer and end-user issues into account, and it hasn't been captured by narrow interests as ICANN has been.

    The businesses involved with the ITU are far broader both by type and geography, ICANN is representative only of its main funding source, the registrars and registries, and that won't change; and IP interests, and as Jonathan Cohen said at Accra, we're [the IP folks] in the White Paper, end of story, so that won't change either.

    The government involvement in the ITU is also far broader, there is no USG DoC or NTIA calling the shots, there is no GAC controlled since its inception by one now non-governmental, that is, unaccountable, now ICANN paid individual [also see followup threads]. The USG seems to have ignored the valid concerns of many of its citizens with regard to the MoU, at least with the ITU both US and non-US citizens have clear paths to and through their governments to influence the ITU, and governments are accountable to a greater degree than some private paid hack who echoes what ICANN wants to hear.

    Frankly, broad government and business interests are often not on the same page as those whom ICANN has disenfranchised, but there are some checks and balances on their actions, on governments by their citizens, on businesses by their consumers. ICANN has no such checks and balances, it is a monopoly controlled by a small, unaccountable, mostly US-based clique.

    There is a pattern here, not only does Victory not like the ITU (the 'I' standing for international), both the country code TLD administrators, eg: here, and the Regional Internet Registries, eg: here, are not being listened to by ICANN, the rest of the world is not being heard. That was also one of the reasons for killing off the at-large, if it only had US voters it might have been suffered to exist.

    It is understandable that the USG would want to maintain control of the internet, for reasons of security, to ensure its view of the world will be heard, to protect and increase domestic business interests. Regardless of the reasons, that doesn't mean the rest of the world should or will meekly go along, particularily if the USG's ICANN 2.0 is as corrupt and incompetent as its predecessor (and as 2.0 is even more insular, less representative, and less accountable, it is hard to imagine anything improving). We can only hope that Victory et al have put significant modifications into the MoU, but unless it is stunningly different, the ITU model still seems to me the better route to go. -g

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    Re: Victory Ready To Renew MOU
    by fnord ({groy2k} {at} {yahoo.com}) on Friday September 13 2002, @02:17PM (#9221)
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    I often note similarities between ICANN and the FDA. Not everyone is fooled, even by fake consumer consensus feeding up to what is in actuality a self-(un)regulated industry, and thankfully in the case of ICANN, no-one dies. Profit before principle seems to be the watchword of American business and USG oversight, no matter the true cost. -g
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    Re: Victory Ready To Renew MOU
    by fnord ({groy2k} {at} {yahoo.com}) on Saturday September 14 2002, @05:12AM (#9230)
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    I don't have answers to your good questions Ray, and I doubt you'll get any from Nancy Victory. The ITU is already involved in the regulation of radio frequencies, telephone numbers, ENUM and a host of other areas. While there are sometimes issues and debates regarding some of these, they are orders of magnitude less than the issues surrounding ICANN, even though many of them deal with far more finite resources than ICANN has responsibility for. This can probably be put down to the ITU for the most part being competent and not corrupt, and ICANN for the most part being incompetent and corrupt. I don't think either leaving regulation to ICANN or leaving regulation undefined is a good situation, I suspect some of those delegates to the ITU feel the same. -g
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    Re: Victory Ready To Renew MOU
    by fnord ({groy2k} {at} {yahoo.com}) on Saturday September 14 2002, @05:44AM (#9231)
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    Tim Berners-Lee created the worldwide web. Are you now going to give it back? Paul Mockapetris created the DNS and wishes it hadn't fallen into the hands of politicos and lawyers (IE: ICANN). Can he have it back now?

    My comments may seem anti-American (that is, anti-US) but they aren't intended to be, I've lived and worked in the US and probably will again, numerous friends and relatives are US citizens, as were my ancestors, one tree right back to Plymouth Rock, and another back even further (the Lakota). I almost always like and get along with individual Americans I meet, to about the same degree as citizens of other countries.

    What I have a problem with is those aspects of the American system which allow for the abuses of Enron and WorldCom, for the FDA, for ICANN, all of which can be traced to big money control of the USG, all of which spill over into the rest of the world. The rest of the world doesn't much care for this and won't shut up, so either get used to it or decide that as your superpower status largely comes from the barrel of a gun, you're prepared to use it to stifle dissent (and even that wouldn't work on some of us). Nor do I think that most Americans, at least those I've met, would support such a notion. -g

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