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    Two Thumbs Down, Way Down
    by GeorgeK on Tuesday October 25 2005, @12:46PM (#16345)
    User #3191 Info | http://www.kirikos.com/
    My preliminary comments [icann.org] are in the Public Comment Forum [icann.org]. I hope more people will oppose this agreement that is not in the interests of domain name registrants.

    If ICANN was negotiating for the USA during the Cuban Missile Crisis, we'd all be speaking Russian today. I wouldn't trust them to negotiate over a deal involving staples and paperclips, let alone this multi-million dollar blunder. Hopefully those with a little more experience than ICANN's wannabes, from the Business, ISP, Registrar, IP and even the Non-Commercial constituencies of the GNSO will weigh in with opposition to this abysmal failure of a settlement.

    Better to have gone to trial -- there's no way an arbitrator or judge would have given VeriSign what they squeezed out of ICANN (and domain registrants, ultimately). Put the .com registry up for tender. Tucows already said they could operate the .com registry for $2/domainyear. It would be interesting to see Neustar, Denic, Afilias and others provide a ballpark price to operate the registry --- prices would certainly be going down, to benefit consumers, and not up.
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    That Verisign Endorsement
    by lextext on Tuesday October 25 2005, @02:03PM (#16346)
    User #6 Info | http://www.lextext.com
    ...and what's that endorsement really worth anyway? I mean, isn't this the equivalent of having Cuba and Iran weigh in on the side of the EU's WSIS proposal?
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    This is Classic LABOR UNION Deal-Making
    by Anonymous on Tuesday October 25 2005, @04:05PM (#16348)
    This is Classic LABOR UNION Deal-Making

    You are pawns of the ICANN and Verisign machine.

    As academics and network professionals and purists
    you may not want to lower yourself to the
    blue-collar level with your white-collar
    over-lords laughing all the way to the bank.

    You are pawns of the ICANN and Verisign machine.

    They are fully funded. They can do anything they
    want, including making or breaking laws in any
    country. Not even the U.S. Government can stop
    them or protect netizens from them.

    You are pawns of the ICANN and Verisign machine.

    The corruption will now continue to grow, and,
    as you point out, they are now more brazen than
    ever. Both companies can now allocate a large
    percentage of their profits to pay thugs to
    crush anyone or any company or even any country
    that gets in their way.

    You are pawns of the ICANN and Verisign machine.

    For the first time in the history of planet Earth
    humans are funding their own captors, and the
    captors will continue to demand more and more
    resources to feed the growing machine. It is a
    classic sweat-shop labor union arrangement where
    the workers make nickels and dimes and send
    dollars to the union bosses for the right to
    exist and work. One can see why some of the
    countries in the UN fiasco want a piece of this
    action. It is shocking that the U.S. Government
    sits on their hands and tells the world this
    is what is endorsed by Americans. ICANN and
    Verisign are an embarassment to many humans
    around the world. Their greed has no limit.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    The Good News is .KIDS Do Not Buy Domain Names
    by Anonymous on Tuesday October 25 2005, @05:03PM (#16349)
    The Good News is .KIDS Do Not Buy Domain Names

    Domain names are really an adult phenom,
    actually, a lawyer toy that they latched on to
    as a choke point and a recurring revenue
    opportunity. .KIDS do not buy domain names. Domain names are
    not needed to make the net work. .KIDS' video
    games have names and they do not pay. The whole
    DNS debate is viewed as a silly waste of time.

    ICANN and Verisign clearly see the end of the
    gravy train and now grasp at straws. They have
    conspired to prevent any real competition and
    variety and now .COM is all that is left and
    they took 100% for themselves, no re-bid, that
    was all a sham, no surprise.

    When Microsoft brings out the Vista Name System
    with free domain names, it will be like another
    Netscape vs. IE situation. You can imagine the
    theatre-ops when Bill Gates says to .KIDS,
    "read my lips, domain names are free".
    "What part of free don't you understand."
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    "about flying coach to ICANN meetings."
    by Anonymous on Tuesday October 25 2005, @05:22PM (#16350)
    "The ICANN fee, currently 25 cents, jumps to 37 cents on 1 Jan, to 45 cents on 1 Jul, and 50 cents on 1 July 2007, the revenue to be used for a list of virtuous causes including anything ICANN wants to use it for. I guess this means I don't have to worry about flying coach to ICANN meetings."

    Flying coach ?

    Are you kidding? ICANN will be buying a large
    fleet of private jets.

    Where else will all the money go ?

    Has anyone ever figured out where all the money
    went from the Postel regime ?
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    The Big Losers are the Other Registries
    by Anonymous on Tuesday October 25 2005, @06:47PM (#16352)
    The Big Losers are the Other Registries

    What "Other Registries" ?

    Amazing how that worked out, spend 6 or more years
    preventing any substantial competition at the
    Registry-level and then wonder why 40+ million
    names are in one TLD.

    Note: There sure does not seem to be any concern
    about the capacity of the .COM zone. Why not just
    call it the root ? Everyone has a TLD. Game Over!
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    UN Backlash - Thanks to Milton and Company
    by Anonymous on Wednesday October 26 2005, @05:06AM (#16354)
    Verisign obviously has ICANN in tow as they
    (secretly) lobby the U.S. Government to
    protect the .COM population from the Big
    Bad U.N. and other forces.

    The solution of course is to give MORE money
    to Verisign and ICANN, the U.S. Government solves
    most problems by throwing more money at it.
    Verisign and ICANN say, "yeah baby, send more".

    The U.S. Government also likely points out that
    it "looks bad" to have Verisign and ICANN at
    odds. No problem, now they kiss and make up
    and promise to fund joint projects staffed by
    insiders. The UN and EU are viewed as the
    competition. Team Verisign has an exclusive
    on being the U.S. Government's choice to run .COM. No re-bid is needed, that would be a risk.
    Can you imagine Africa claiming it belongs to
    their nation with the UN label .COM ?

    The other parties are of course the 5 large
    packet telcos, who now promise to lock down the .NET with Verisign and ICANN. The U.S. Government
    now only has to listen to about 10 players.
    Things become much simpler. Those telcos of
    course can now DE-PEER all of the rif-raf and
    Verisign can continue to lobby to have any
    loose cannon root operators removed from the
    population. ICANN edits the zone under the
    U.S. Government FCC and DOC direction and all
    of the root servers are blessed by the telcos
    and Verisign.

    Thanks to Milton and Company and the UN and
    the EU, the various USA contractors who spend
    100% of their time dancing with the U.S.
    Government are transforming the USA .NET as
    people sleep. That collective group really
    think they represent all of the people who
    elected them and pay them and they have no
    reason to be concerned about how brazen they
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    Now Fully Funded ICANN is "Becoming Technical"
    by Anonymous on Wednesday October 26 2005, @05:27AM (#16355)
    Now Fully Funded ICANN is "Becoming Technical"

    Now that ICANN has enough legal layers of pork
    and funding from many sources, it decides it is
    time to become technical. This is like the
    Olympic Committee deciding they better have some
    athletes. Team ICANN will of course come from
    the ISOC with their IETF division now wrapped
    in legal layers and fully funded, thanks to ICANN.
    The circle is complete.

    "The top line is that we now have a way to insure that any new service insures the security and the stability of the Internet," said Paul Twomey, Icann's chief executive.

    The settlement is significant in part because it will accelerate efforts now under way to enhance the security of the domain name system, said Steve Crocker, chief executive of Shinkuro, a research and development firm coordinating the development of new Internet security technologies.

    The Internet technical community has begun the development of a security enhancement to the current Internet infrastructure, known as the Domain Name System Security Extensions. Widespread use of these protocols could significantly reduce fraud and other crimes that currently plague the global network.

    The agreement is also evidence that the current partnership of public and private entities informally governing the Internet is workable, Mr. Twomey said.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    Red-Lining Now Can Be Automated - .COM and .NET
    by Anonymous on Wednesday October 26 2005, @06:57AM (#16356)
    Red-Lining Now Can Be Automated - .COM and .NET

    Red-lining in the real world is a process where
    certain unsavory neighborhoods are removed from
    certain considerations, such as loan company
    services, and other private sector businesses.
    The real estate plunges deeper into decay.

    Now that the new Verisign and ICANN merger is
    complete, with the U.S. Government pulling all
    the strings, IP address block red-lining can
    be automated. Systems can pull out all of the .COM and .NET name-servers, chart the IP space
    in use and DE-PEER (don't route) the rest. That
    frees up IP address space and it meets the
    continuing ICANN mantra of increasing security
    and stability. It also plays right into the
    waiting GAC (where Twomey comes from) who can
    then run their countries via proxy connections.

    The red-lining and de-peering will cause the
    cut-off ISPs and regions to plunge deeper into
    decay. That no doubt fits the ICANN security
    and stability mantra, out of sight out of mind.
    What is ironic is that ICANN plays in this
    charade while claiming to be bottom up and
    growing the net from the grass-roots. Their
    mowers work at a very high level and they cut
    out anything that remotely appears to be a weed.
    They never get near the grass roots.

    Speaking of roots, people can now see why the
    old root server operators who are going to be
    red-lined out of the picture are taking their
    toys to other locales. They likely have been
    given advance notice that they are out of the
    picture, off the big-boy's radar screens.

    Unlike the real world, the red-lining can be
    fully automated by driving it from the .COM and .NET zone information. This takes ICANN and
    Verisign and the U.S. Government out of that
    dirty job of mowing the weeds. The mowers are
    just robots that roam around looking at NS
    names and A records mapping IN blocks and
    OUT blocks. The IN blocks form the foundation
    for the secure and stable transport which is
    a very small part of the current network. As
    people are cut off, they will have a choice,
    they can route around the core or connect via
    some proxy arrangement, or they can of course
    play in the .COM and .NET game and be saved
    from the mowers when they pass by.

    Some people will play, some will route around
    and many will accept the proxy arrangement
    because they think it is the way it works.

    Those that route around may be the true Internet
    but they will not be visible. This is very
    similar to what happened to the American Indians
    and similar tribes in other countries. You
    have the settlers in the core, the tribes are
    pushed to reservations and then there are stray
    people who route around it all. ICANN and
    Verisign of course serve the settlers in the
    core, those in the gold rush. History repeats
    itself. California here we come.
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    Stir Up That Alphabet Soup and Add MORE Legal BS
    by Anonymous on Wednesday October 26 2005, @02:15PM (#16360)
    Stir Up That Alphabet Soup and Add MORE Legal BS

    Follow the money to Northern Virginia and NeuStar
    and the same cast of I* characters. They will of
    course be part of the new ICANN budgets. Follow
    the money, it tells the whole story. Your .ORG
    tax dollars at work.

    IAOC Membership

        * Lucy Lynch, appointed by the IESG [Initial Chair] - llynch@darkwing.uoregon.edu
        * Kurtis Lindquist, appointed by the IAB - kurtis@kurtis.pp.se
        * Steve Crocker, appointed by the ISOC Board of Trustees - steve@shinkuro.com
        * Brian Carpenter, the IETF Chair (ex officio) - brc@zurich.ibm.com
        * Leslie Daigle, the IAB Chair (ex officio) - leslie@thinkingcat.com
        * Lynn St.Amour, the ISOC President/CEO (ex officio) - st.amour@isoc.org
        * Jonne Soininen, appointed by the NomCom (2 year term) - jonne.soininen@nokia.com
        * Ed Juskevicius, appointed by the NomCom (1 year term) - edj@nortel.com
        * Ray Pelletier, IETF Administrative Director (non-voting) - iad@ietf.org

    Marshall Eubanks (tme@multicasttech.com) serves as the IAOC Scribe

    The IAOC is pleased to announce that we have reached substantial agreement with both CNRI and ISOC on the founding document for an IETF Trust. The IETF Trust is a private legal construct (in this case established under the laws of Virginia, USA) allowing assets (in this case, intellectual property rights and other property) to be held and administered for the benefit of the IETF and hence the Internet standards process.

    The IETF Trust document, a model version of an IPR License (based on the potential Service Agreement with NeuStar for the provision of Secretariat services)
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