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    Sense of the Senate Resolution
    by Anonymous on Wednesday October 19 2005, @10:25AM (#16317)
    Expressing the sense of the Senate that the United Nations and other international organizations shall not be allowed to exercise control over the Internet:

    Full text at http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:S.RES.2 73:
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    It's like telling the passenger to drive better
    by KarlAuerbach on Wednesday October 19 2005, @12:28PM (#16318)
    User #3243 Info | http://www.cavebear.com/
    The resolution is much like telling the passenger in an automobile to drive better - it is not aimed at the person (or entity) in charge.

    ICANN is not "in charge" of any of the knobs or levers that control the operation of the internet - nothing that ICANN does can affect the end-to-end flow of packets across the internet. DNS will not stop running if ICANN fumbles. ICANN deals only with business regulation.

    (In addition, ICANN's performance of the "IANA" function is essentially a non-discretionary secretarial function performed for the IETF and has virtually no impact on the daily operation of the internet.)

    The powers described in the resolution are in the hands of others. Those others are the proper subject of this kind of resolution (assuming that one agrees with the underlying sense of the resolution.)

    This resolution, because it is based on incorrect presumptions, does nothing to resolve the current situation and because of its assertion of US hegemony over the internet ends up merely further inflaming the fears (some legitimate, some fanciful) of those in other nations.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    Is ICANNwatch Watching ?
    by Anonymous on Thursday October 20 2005, @03:11AM (#16319)
    by Ross  at 07:06PM (EDT) on October 19, 2005  |  Permanent Link

    Scripting News: “On this day in 1998, Jon Postel died.”

    Jon did a lot of good for the internet. For instance he was a central figure in the events that lead to the creation of ICANN.

    Coincidentally, I’m sitting in a boardroom in Marina del Rey two blocks up the road from where Jon kept his office. With me are members of the ICANN board of directors – Njeri Rionge, Raimundo Beca, Mike Palage, Vint Cerf, ICANN staff – their CEO Paul Twomey, and Denise Michel, representatives from ICANN’s supporting organizations and advisory committee’s – Bret Fausett, Marilyn Cade, Sharil Tarmizi. We’re talking about the future of ICANN and what kind of a strategic plan we’ll need in order to get there.

    Hopefully we’re in sync with where Jon would have wanted us to be.

    Thanks for everything Jon.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    A Very Small Fraction Want to Kiss Cerf's Butt
    by Anonymous on Thursday October 20 2005, @07:17AM (#16321)
    A Very Small Fraction Want to Kiss Cerf's Butt

    Yep, that would be a very small number of people
    but they continue to line up and Vint seems to
    love it.

    > > Setting aside the question of success or failure, is
    > > there a proposal for
    > > any alternative structure for user involvement in
    > > ICANN? My honest sense is
    > > that a very small fraction of the billion or so
    > > reported Internet users
    > > actually want to provide input. Do you see this
    > > differently?  I forwarded
    > > your message, verbatim, to the board.
    > >
    > >
    > > Vinton G Cerf
    > > Chief Internet Evangelist
    > > Google/Regus
    > > Suite 384
    > > 13800 Coppermine Road
    > > Herndon, VA 20171
    > >
    > > +1 703 234-1823
    > > +1 703-234-5822 (f)
    > >
    > > vint@xxxxxxxxxx
    > > www.google.com
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    ! Time for US to be allowed to play on their own.
    by Anonymous on Monday October 24 2005, @06:27AM (#16327)
    This is a perfect example of the blind leading the blind. Really, time to hand this precious resource over to network experts that have 100's of years of experience in managing a global, multi nation resource, the ITU.

    But that's probably not going to happen, so time to turn the Internet as we know it into the US's own Intranet. This will be great for the lovers of ICANN, and restrict their hidden processes to only impacting US nationals which they appear to be happy with, and also good for the USA by reducing the overseas visibility of ICANNS embarrasing follies. (Reducing their international joaunts to national ones will even save money, not that ICANN was ever consious of wanting to do that! The ITU / UN should create the next generation, perhaps under the direction of the original Internet's Inventor, Sir Tim Berners-Lee, people who understand global network technology, understand reliability, something clearly lacking from the US's tenior and how to create a true and fair Global resource for the benefit of all Sovereign Nations.

    You guys still probably think that Vint Cerf invented the Internet!


    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    ICANN Delivers "Colorless" NET - Bland and Bleak
    by Anonymous on Monday October 24 2005, @07:56AM (#16329)
    ICANN Delivers "Colorless" NET - Bland and Bleak

    The lawyer-driven ICANN delivers a bland (bleak)
    colorless NET. It is like a suburban community,
    so over-burdened with regulations, that all houses
    are the same shape, size, color, etc.

    Web-sites have to fit the VC model that Esther
    and company want to see, to claim to be trusted.
    There is little content and tons of legal
    disclaimers, disclosures and boiler-plate.
    You have to love the dot bomb sites that say,
    we have all the legal structure, we have the
    funding, now we have to figure out a product or
    service. They all look the same, bland and bleak.

    The people have been herded into the little
    corrals (TLDs) that ICANN has set up. How cute.
    Pay no attention to the fact that there is little
    diversity and many net communities are not even
    in the picture. It is bland and colorless.

    People do have other choices and they are voting
    with their feet and their connections and
    developing new technology to route around Esther's
    ICANN which stands as a monument to human failure
    and there is world-wide consensus on that view.

    http://newsfromrussia.com/world/2005/10/0 6/64579.html

    "As a result of globalization," he said, "a new, colorless culture, I don't mean colorless in the sense of race, I mean in the sense of 'bleak', is developing."

    That culture, de Klerk said, is consumerist, trend-driven and English-speaking. And with the values of Hollywood and MTV both saturating and conflicting with other cultures, a backlash is inevitable.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    People Do Not Understand How WEAK the USG Is
    by Anonymous on Monday October 24 2005, @08:45AM (#16330)
    People Do Not Understand How WEAK the USG Is

    The USG develops an idea (or model) in the heads
    of a few clueless people and they then attempt
    to make that model work. The model can not be
    changed once it gains momentum.

    Look at ICANN, it came from USG insiders like
    Ira Magaziner, Becky Burr and Mark Bohanan. They
    put together a Registrar-Registry franchise model
    of the world and then staffed it with the usual
    suspects, like Dyson and Cerf who will always
    have their hand out for a fee to do the USG's

    Now look at what people have, an ICANN which has
    done very little and which is (was) mostly
    focused on making sure the money-TLDs from the
    Postel regime are funding the right people
    (i.e. Cerf's cronies).

    The USG is of course very weak. ICANN is like
    a government experiment gone wrong. The USG can
    not stop it. Nothing can stop it. The USG is very
    weak and has to minimize the embarassment of the
    entire mess. It is actually good that the CEO
    of ICANN is from Australia. The USG can wash
    their hands of it. Anyone in America with 1/2 a
    net clue knows to ignore it all. Let the UN have
    it, or ship it to Africa. Have a ball.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    now only five Tier 1 (highest level) providers ???
    by Anonymous on Monday October 24 2005, @09:33AM (#16331)
    "There are now only five Tier 1 (highest level) backbone providers (this is from a 2003 article by Michael Kende):  Cable & Wireless, WorldCom, Sprint, AT&T, and Genuity.   If the large ones get so large and powerful that they no longer feel the need to interconnect (and can charge high prices for their new services), they can depeer with all smaller backbones, exact high prices for transit, degrade the quality of their interconnection with the smaller backbones, or take any number of other anticompetitive steps to protect their private prerogatives."

    One of the ICANN insiders and Dyson apologists
    recently posted the above. It is so typical of
    what comes from the limited legal minds that
    surround and protect ICANN.

    Left out of the above is the fact that transport
    is now a commodity. Also left out is the benefit
    of having a solid transport for a back-bone.
    Compare that to on-again off-again fly-by-night
    ISPs attempting to cobble together a national
    network in the 90s.

    Also left out is that fact that consumers are
    now seeing much lower prices compared to what
    the USG-funded academic/research/DOD used to
    charge for a connection to their NSF network.
    Many of the ICANN policies are carried over from
    the NSF net days, despite the fact that a new
    transport is in place. Old policies on a new
    platform do not work, as people see.

    Another point left out of the above is the fact
    that consumers are beginning to view "Portals"
    (Yahoo, MSN, et. al.) as AOL-like walled-gardens.
    Those are over-layed on the commodity transport.
    Those are more likely candidates for lock-in
    (or lock-out) when it comes to a name-space.

    Besides walled-gardens, there is also the coming
    move to make Windows a more closed community
    with better and cheaper features. What part of
    FREE domain names don't you understand? in the
    Vista naming system, coming to a Windows CD near
    you ? Does ICANN really think they can compete
    with FREE ? Three cheers for Bill Gates, the
    ICANN slayer. Do you think he remembers what
    Cerf, Farber and Lessig did to him during the
    Clinton administration? [Pay no attention that
    an upgrade is needed.]

    Another point left out of the original comment
    is the fact that there are other Tier 1 transports
    and 80% of all IP-based gear NEVER touches the
    global Internet. Also, as wireless comes into
    play more and more, you could find people in a
    very large area connecting house to house or
    office to office with NO Tier 1, unless the air
    is now considered the transport.

    People are standing by waiting to see how the
    lawyers regulate the air. Will soon people have
    to have an ICANN-approved breathing device ?
    How about an ICANN-approved antenna ? dumbed-down
    no doubt to only receive a narrow spectrum in
    the name of security and stability.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    "Here's the truth of the matter." Spin ? Not Truth
    by Anonymous on Monday October 24 2005, @10:03AM (#16332)
    "Here's the truth of the matter. The U.S. has charged ICANN, a multi-stakeholder, international body with an international Board of Directors, with the responsibility of selecting new gTLDs."

    From yet another ICANN apologist and another one
    of those limited legal minds, turned reporter
    (who only reports one-side), comes the above

    The above comment is spin, it is not true.

    1. ICANN was formed to provide a legal structure
    to allow Jon Postel to cash out, just like Vinton
    Cerf and other cronies had cashed out.

    2. ICANN was set up to do proof-of-concept
    market trials for TLDs. Some call that a Staging
    Root or Research Root. It helps to determine if
    there is any interest in a name-space, before
    serious players make investments. ICANN's TLDs
    have all mostly failed. ICANN grabbed .NET as
    a way to fund itself as it sees the market trials
    coming to an end and their funding going away
    when .COM no longer funds Registrars.

    3. ICANN was also quietly (and secretly) pulling
    the strings in the address space allocations.
    That is now *more hidden* and insiders are reworking
    the legal structure to protect ICANN and gain
    control. The address space allocations are used
    to strong-arm governments, carriers, and ISPs
    into bowing to ICANN policies, no matter how

    The truth of the matter is that the U.S. Government sees how corrupt the arrangement is. The U.S. FCC would have done a more fair, efficient and diverse job with TLDs and address space than the Postel regime.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    "the critical path for new gTLDs?" what path ?????
    by Anonymous on Monday October 24 2005, @10:37AM (#16333)
    From an ICANN apologist and insider:
    "Are you ready to put the approval of governments of the EU, China, Brazil, Cuba, etc. in the critical path for new gTLDs?"

    What path ? The same dead-end as ICANN ?

    By the way, what happened to all that nonsense
    about ICANN "only advises" the root-servers and
    pay no attention to the fact that the
    U.S. Government operates some of the root-servers.

    Also, what happened to all that show of USG
    force ? when each TLD was approved by the NTIA.
    ICANN sure seemed to like to showcase their MOU
    with the USG as their badge of authority. Now
    of course, ICANN wants to declare they are
    private, with the .NET cash-flow in hand. They
    are funded for life. It would have been cheaper
    to do that day one and avoid the charades.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    ICANN and Verisign Merge to Crush All Competition
    by Anonymous on Monday October 24 2005, @11:33AM (#16334)
    ICANN and Verisign have agreed to end their
    law-suit charade and now work together (as
    they have always done) and really crush all
    competition. .COM is the de-facto root.
    .NET is their mutual ace-in-the-hole.

    Verisign and their ICANN division, are now set
    to spin more lies to governments about stability
    and security (i.e. job security) for .COM and
    .NET. Innovation will continue to be thwarted
    to protect those cash cows.

    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/13 10AP_ICANN_VeriSign.html

    ICANN's board on Monday unanimously endorsed sending the proposed settlement to the Internet community for public comment. Any settlement needs final approval by the board.

    According to ICANN, the settlement calls for the organization and VeriSign to sign a new contract "intended to balance innovation and business certainty with the need to ensure competition, security and stability in the domain name system."
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    Shhhhhhh New.Net and .XXX On the Secret DNS NET
    by Anonymous on Monday October 24 2005, @02:31PM (#16340)
    Shhhhhhh New.Net and .XXX On the Secret DNS NET

    the DNS is now moving to a secret, secure,
    walled-garden arrangement. ISPs are lining up to
    pay for access. They then can market it as new
    and improved and secure.

    It is an intranet, yawn.

    It is a walled-garden with the insiders selecting
    what travels on that secret network. It is mostly
    DNS traffic. Wow, Google.COM might actually
    resolve to a Google-run address. Vint will like
    that. Sounds like a winner.

    There is even better news, NEW.NET's TLDs are
    growing in the walled-garden. Shhhhhhhhh

    .XXX is ICANN's choice, approved, etc. Your ISP
    can get in line to pay to gain access.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    ISPs at NANOG and ARIN Invited into Inner Circle
    by Anonymous on Monday October 24 2005, @04:23PM (#16341)
    ISPs at NANOG and ARIN Invited into Inner Circle

    Selected ISPs at the NANOG and ARIN .LA meeting
    are being invited to be part of the exclusive
    Inner Circle. They are going to be the model ISPs
    that get to test the new .COM and .NET secure
    DNS feeds, along with the big-boys. They will also
    be the first to be accredited with FCC and DOJ
    VOIP and other services. UN inspectors in blue
    helmets will be touring the ISP's facilities (at
    the expense of the ISP) to make sure it meets
    international requirements. The ISPs will be able
    to drop their BGP arrangements with the 5 major
    carriers who will build virtual overlay networks
    on the ISP-supplied gear. The ISPs will be
    expected to pay all of the bills and handle all
    of the traffic with no compensation from the
    big boys. ISPs are expected to hand over their
    customer lists to the various non-profit agencies
    that pass them on to other competitors to help
    create a fair and level playing field. ISPs are
    lining up to be part of the Inner Circle. They
    get to have their picture taken with the CEOs
    of the RIRs and ICANN and can buy everyone copies.
    ISPs are also invited to make substantial
    donations to the various non-profits to help
    promote more public benefit activities.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    .COM AnyCast Servers Allow ISPs to Bypass ROOT
    by Anonymous on Monday October 24 2005, @04:45PM (#16342)
    .COM AnyCast Servers Allow ISPs to Bypass ROOT

    SCTP selected for the DNS transport between ISP's
    and the .COM AnyCast Servers. Users still use
    their UDP or TCP interfaces in their CPE devices.
    The ultra-reliable back-haul to multiple servers
    ensures them reliable .COM look-up results.
    Bypassing root servers helps to ensure that only
    the official USG-sanctioned .COM servers are used.

    SCTP is a reliable transport protocol operating on top of a connectionless packet network such as IP.  It offers the following
       services to its users:
          -- acknowledged error-free non-duplicated transfer of user data,
          -- data fragmentation to conform to discovered path MTU size,
    -- sequenced delivery of user messages within multiple streams,
             with an option for order-of-arrival delivery of individual user
          -- optional bundling of multiple user messages into a single SCTP
             packet, and
          -- network-level fault tolerance through supporting of multi-homing at either or both ends of an association.
       The design of SCTP includes appropriate congestion avoidance behavior and resistance to flooding and masquerade attacks.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    Verisign No Longer Able to Fund Dirty Tricks
    by Anonymous on Monday October 24 2005, @05:12PM (#16343)
    Verisign No Longer Able to Fund Dirty Tricks

    In return for the .COM TLD, Verisign must now
    promise ICANN that it will no longer pay people
    to "undermine" ICANN and Verisign now agrees to
    promote ICANN as the DNS authority.

    http://www.icann.org/announcements/a nnouncement-24oct05.htm

    ICANN has a bridge in Brooklyn they are also
    trying to sell if you agree not to divert the
    traffic and promote it as ICANN's bridge.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    Fortune 5,000 Now Able to Bypass ROOT and .COM
    by Anonymous on Monday October 24 2005, @05:37PM (#16344)
    Fortune 5,000 Now Able to Bypass ROOT and .COM

    The top 5,000 trademark owners are now able to
    not only bypass the root servers but also the
    .COM servers. ISPs are provided DIRECT access to
    the list of *****.COM nameservers for the 5,000
    SLD name owners.

    When any DNS query comes in for one of the 5,000
    owners, the query is first sent to the .COM
    owner. This gives the 5,000 owners a chance to
    direct the query to the proper place, ignore it,
    track it, etc. The 5,000 owners effectively own
    their name in any TLD past, present or future
    but likely only use the .COM variation which
    implies U.S. Department of Commerce famous
    trademark status. The 5,000 names reserved is a
    small number compared to the 8,000,000+ names
    that ICANN is reserving in new TLDs.

    More importantly, *****.COM owners have a better
    chance of having queries come directly to their
    servers without first asking root servers where
    .COM servers are located and then asking .COM
    servers where their servers are located. That
    is two steps that could be diverted by parties
    running parallel roots or parallel .COMs.

    Some companies are also putting their brand
    name directly into their software and hardware
    products as ***BRAND***.COM and have new
    mechanisms to find only their secured servers
    without any help from outside DNS providers.
    Since they now have their own IPv6 address space,
    which will never change, that is easier to do.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]

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