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    Adult entertainment trade association starts letter writing campaign against .XXX | Log in/Create an Account | Top | 25 comments | Search Discussion
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    by AmericaAtLarge on Thursday September 15 2005, @12:56PM (#16224)
    User #4126 Info | http://americeatlarge.org/
    What you are trying to do is, in effect, to impose your moral values and to censor ideas. This shouldn't be tolerated any more than ICANN's wavering on issues.


    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    by Anonymous on Tuesday September 20 2005, @12:17PM (#16227)
    Write? Wouldnt it be more appropriate if the sent in pictures and videos?.

    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    About those "6,000" letters
    by jberryhill on Thursday September 22 2005, @03:43PM (#16228)
    User #3013 Info

    What Mr. Hymes fails to point out, and what is well-known to anyone paying attention, is that those "6,000 letters" to Commerce were automated emails sent from a religious/political website with a "submit" button, the URL of which was posted on an adult webmaster forum along with the suggestion that those opposed to the proposal go and hit the button.

    It is not unusual on the internet for people to disagree about any particular proposal or idea. Those opposed to .xxx are not required to participate, to register a domain name, or indeed to care one way or another. Is it surprising that there is a tinfoil-hat brigade who believes that a TLD within a computer network addressing system would spell the end of the world? Not really. Where were these people during the public comment period, or indeed during the several years that this application has been on the table?

    But, why bother to actually engage in the process when you can collect donations by persuading the persuadable that the end of the world is near.

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    Verisign's ICANN Puppet Enters Price-Fixing Waters
    by Anonymous on Friday September 23 2005, @07:01AM (#16229)
    Verisign's ICANN Puppet Enters Price-Fixing Waters

    Price-Fixing and collusion is of course illegal
    in the United States. [Head Slap] Duh, That's
    right ICANN is International, U.S. laws do not
    apply. Pay no attention to ICANN's California
    legal status. ICANN is opening offices all over
    and hiring people to help with the corruption.
    Looks like the United Nations model.

    [Head Slap #2] ICANN is an agent for the U.S.
    Government and the U.S. Government does
    price-fixing all the time, as in oil and gas
    prices. ICANN is the U.S. Government agency to
    carry out the orders from the spooks in Northern
    Virginia where Vinton Cerf is based.

    "ICANN Posts Proposed Amendment to .NET Registry Agreement for Public Comment
    ICANN and VeriSign, the .NET Registry Operator, in consultation with representatives from ICANN-Accredited Registrars, have negotiated a proposed amendment to the .NET Registry Agreement. The proposed amendment limits registration fee increases to no more than 10% per year and incorporates a new version of the .NET Registry-Registrar Agreement. A summary of the .NET consultations is available at <http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-2 -22sep05.htm>. The public comment forum will be open through 10 October 2005.
    22 September 2005"
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    Just Keep Telling "The Big Lie" ISOC Loves the $$$
    by Anonymous on Friday September 23 2005, @08:42AM (#16232)
    The ISOC has really sucked people in around the
    world. They just keep telling the same Big Lie.
    [achieving an "open and uncapturable Internet".]
    Pay no attention to the fact that it is captured
    by the ISOC and The Big Lie Society.

    Just be a Google-Head and nod your approval.

    http://www.internetnz.net.nz/news/200 5-08-16-WGIG-position.htm

    15 August 2005

    The Internet Society of New Zealand Incorporated (InternetNZ) has reviewed the WGIG report and offers the following commentary.

    InternetNZ is a not-for-profit membership based organisation broadly aligned to the ISOC principles and has the significant mission of achieving an "open and uncapturable Internet". InternetNZ is recognised by IANA as the delegation holder for the ccTLD .nz. The Government of New Zealand recognises InternetNZ's right to manage the .nz namespace and encourages industry best practice and industry self regulation rather than any legislative or regulatory role over the ccTLD.
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    ICANN's .XXX Insider (Board Member) Defends Lunacy
    by Anonymous on Friday September 23 2005, @09:06AM (#16234)
    ICANN's .XXX Insider (Board Member) Defends Lunacy

    http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/arch ives/registrars/msg03373.html
    From: "Michael D. Palage" <michael@xxxxxxxxxx>

    "like all things ICANN that original reservation list was far from
    perfect, but given the circumstances it was an agreed upon solution
    among ICANN, the GAC and Afilias."

    The GAC is of course the real cause of all things
    that do not go well. ICANN is laughing all the
    way to the bank, along with their Directors and
    the ISOC.

    Vinton Cerf is getting set to cash his One Billion
    dollar signing check from Google. Nice cash-out
    Vint !!!
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    China Operates Just Like ICANN and the ISOC (IANA)
    by Anonymous on Friday September 23 2005, @09:36AM (#16235)
    China Operates Just Like ICANN and the ISOC (IANA)

    China appears to be learning how to block
    (censor) viewpoints with the same nonsense that
    the dictator Vinton Cerf's ISOC and ICANN use.

    "a procedural objection to any discussion concerning organizations not on the recommended list."

    Yep, if you are not one of Vinton Cerf's
    Google-head insiders, you are not on the
    "recommended list". You have no voice and
    Cerf will give you one of his famous verbal
    kiss-offs at the next ICANN meeting.

    http://www.hrichina.org/public/content s/press?revision%5fid=24927&item%5fid=24924

    Chi na Blocks Open Discussion at WSIS with Procedural Maneuvering

    September 20, 2005

    The International Federation for Human Rights (FIDH) and its member organization, Human Rights in China (HRIC), denounce the decision of the World Summit on Information Society (WSIS), a process that claims to include the broadest possible participation, to block open discussion on supporting independent NGO voices.
    After the U.S. made a motion to accredit HRIC, the PRC moved to raise a procedural objection to any discussion concerning organizations not on the recommended list.
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    ICANN Promised Not to Run a TLD - It Lied Again
    by Anonymous on Friday September 23 2005, @10:28AM (#16236)
    ICANN Promised Not to Run a TLD - It Lied Again

    Before ICANN was formed, and during the formation
    the claim was made that ICANN would not run a
    TLD. As with all things ICANN, and all things
    that Vinton Cerf touches, it was all a lie.
    Look at what Vinton Cerf and Bernie Ebbers did
    at Worldcom, as another reference point.

    ICANN of course now runs the .NET TLD and they
    have set themselves up to profit, despite lieing
    about being a non-profit. Non-profit companies
    are not allowed by U.S. law to engage in the
    same businesses as for-profit companies. If that
    was not the law, companies would claim to be
    non-profit, as ICANN does, and then dominate
    markets with an unfair advantage, as ICANN does.

    When will the U.S. Government step in to shut
    the ICANN sham down ?

    "Section 7.3(a) Pricing. From 1 July 2005 through 31 December 2006, the price to ICANN-accredited registrars for new and renewal domain name registrations and for transferring a domain name registration from one ICANN-accredited registrar to another, shall not exceed a total fee of US$4.25, which fee consists of (A) a Registry Operator service fee (“Service Fee”) equal to US$3.50, and (B) an ICANN fee equal to US$0.75. On 1 January 2007, the controls on Registry Operator’s pricing set forth in this Section 7.3(a) shall be eliminated. Commencing on 1 January 2007, the Service Fee charged during a calendar year for each annual increment of a new and renewal domain name registration and for transferring a domain name registration from one ICANN-accredited registrar to another, shall not exceed the highest Service Fee charged during the preceding calendar year multiplied by 1.10."
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    Esther Dyson's Stooge Reveals How Insiders Evolve
    by Anonymous on Friday September 23 2005, @11:40AM (#16237)
    Esther Dyson's Stooge Reveals How Insiders Evolve

    While ICANNwatchers are distracted by WMDs** like
    the U.N. charade, the Big Lie Society is working
    behind the scenes to ensure that their insider's
    club dominates the next phase of .NET evolution.
    The 900 lb. gooorilla named Uncle Sam, will of
    course be directed to lead the circus parade
    as the major players (aka insiders) roll out
    their new TLDs, and services they of course will
    claim they invented.

    http://www.Yaho o.NEWS

    ** Weapons of Mass Distraction

    http://www.circleid.com/article/121 4_0_1_0_C/
    "Soon, though, most of the major Internet players are likely to be hybrids of two or more layers. Google and eBay will be infrastructure and applications; Yahoo! and News Corp. will be applications and content; telephone, wireless, and cable operators will be infrastructure nad content; Microsoft and Time Warner will span all three levels. And that's just what we've seen announced so far. In this market, everyone is in play."
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    Fat.CAT Vintoon Cerf Pays Off Insiders With TLD
    by Anonymous on Friday September 23 2005, @12:45PM (#16238)
    Fat.CAT Vintoon Cerf Pays Off Insiders With TLD

    No problem, tell whatever lies are needed.
    As Bill Clinton might say, it is amazing what
    one gets when they drag $250,000 thru a trailer park.

    http://www.icann.org/tlds/stld-apps-19mar 04/cat.htm
    On the other hand, in respect of the Foundation to be established in case
    of approval of the .cat TLD, it is foreseen that the initial assets it
    shall be granted with by its trustees will amount between 150,000 and
    250,000 Euros. Please refer to Part C. "Business Plan" for details on
    number and timing of staff addition. During the application period the
    Steering Committee will be assisted by Eric Brunner-Williams as part-time
    consultant acting as CTO and Amadeu Abril i Abril as part-time Policy
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    Postel Workers Labor Union to Decide .XXX in .LA
    by Anonymous on Sunday September 25 2005, @03:04AM (#16242)
    Postel Workers Labor Union to Decide .XXX in .LA

    Fourth Joint Meeting With ARIN!
    NANOG: Oct. 23-25
    ARIN: Oct. 26-28
    Los Angeles

    http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0510/attendee. list.html
    Abley     Joe     ISC
    Bush     Randy     IIJ
    Conrad     David     ARIN
    Joffe     Rodney     UltraDNS
    Kosters     Mark     VeriSign
    Manning     Bill     ARIN
    Vixie     Paul     ISC

    The corruption never ends. Jimmy Hoffa would be proud.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    Where are the .XXX Postel Stamps ?
    by Anonymous on Sunday September 25 2005, @03:48AM (#16244)
    Where are the .XXX Postel Stamps ?

    How come the U.S. Post Office does not have
    stamps with .XXX pictures ?

    http://shop.usps.com/cgi-bin/vsbv/postal_stor e_non_ssl/browse_content/indexStampIssues.jsp
    200 5 Issue
    To Form A More Perfect Union
    Arthur Ashe
    Sporty Cars
    Presidential Libraries
    American Treasures: Rio Grande Blankets
    American Advances in Aviation
    The Art of Disney: Celebration
    Henry Fonda
    Masterworks of Modern American Architecture
    American Scientists
    Yip Harburg
    Robert Penn Warren
    Spring Flowers
    Northeast Deciduous Forest
    Love Bouquet
    Ronald Reagan
    Marian Anderson
    Lunar New Year
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    G00GLE.COM Set to Be Resolved By Home Routers
    by Anonymous on Sunday September 25 2005, @04:14AM (#16245)
    G00GLE.COM Set to Be Resolved By Home Routers

    Software for Home (WIFI) Routers is now being tested
    to resolve G00GLE.COM to the local web server
    running inside the programmable router. The
    G00GLE.COM splash screen (home page) is easy to
    store and display. Parents are given various
    options to control what their .KIDS can search for
    and where the search occurs. The default is to
    search on-line ripped-off copies of various
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    Milton Lost in the Weeds in Geneva or is That Weed
    by Anonymous on Sunday September 25 2005, @04:27AM (#16246)
    The WMDs (Weapons of Mass Distraction) deployed
    to Geneva are really lost in the weeds, or maybe
    they are smoking it.

    What a Waste-O-Time

    People are 5 years behind the times and focused
    on the root servers which are no longer used.

    They are missing the bandwidth factor, the
    IP address space fairness issues, and most
    importantly the PROTOCOL evolutions and how
    those impact services.

    The WMDs are keeping people from seeing what the
    ISOC Taliban is up to. They are not asking
    questions about how many ISOC-sponsored
    assasinations of humans have been funded.

    They are lost in the weeds or smoking it.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    Doing .NET Math - .KIDS will pay nothing.
    by Anonymous on Sunday September 25 2005, @10:19PM (#16250)
    Doing .NET Math
    by Bret Fausett on September 25, 2005 07:53PM (PDT)
    In a post to the ICANN Comment Board, Andrew Moulden does the math on .NET registry fees. Your grandchildren will pay $27,226.54 a year.

    Nope, .NET children and .KIDS will pay nothing. They
    are now being educated to stay away from attorneys
    who spend all day dreaming up schemes to pick their
    pockets dry. They NOW buy their $50 WIFI router
    and set up their first dynamic domain name for
    FREE. From there, they are wired into the FREE
    DNS name system. They connect and play video
    games for FREE, without paying M$, V$, N$ or I$.

    The I$OC is now contained and will be routed around.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    #7) Being an ISOC ARIN NANOG Thug is Cool
    by Anonymous on Sunday September 25 2005, @11:55PM (#16251)
    #7) Being an ISOC ARIN NANOG Thug is Cool

    http://www.ranum.com/security/computer_sec urity/editorials/dumb/

    #4) Hacking is Cool

        One of the best ways to get rid of cockroaches in your kitchen is to scatter bread-crumbs under the stove, right? Wrong! That's a dumb idea. One of the best ways to discourage hacking on the Internet is to give the hackers stock options, buy the books they write about their exploits, take classes on "extreme hacking kung fu" and pay them tens of thousands of dollars to do "penetration tests" against your systems, right? Wrong! "Hacking is Cool" is a really dumb idea.

        Around the time I was learning to walk, Donn Parker was researching the behavioral aspects of hacking and computer security. He says it better than I ever could:
        "Remote computing freed criminals from the historic requirement of proximity to their crimes. Anonymity and freedom from personal victim confrontation increased the emotional ease of crime, i.e., the victim was only an inanimate computer, not a real person or enterprise. Timid people could become criminals. The proliferation of identical systems and means of use and the automation of business made possible and improved the economics of automating crimes and constructing powerful criminal tools and scripts with great leverage."

        Hidden in Parker's observation is the awareness that hacking is a social problem. It's not a technology problem, at all. "Timid people could become criminals." The Internet has given a whole new form of elbow-room to the badly socialized borderline personality. The #4th dumbest thing information security practitioners can do is implicitly encourage hackers by lionizing them. The media plays directly into this, by portraying hackers, variously, as "whiz kids" and "brilliant technologists" - of course if you're a reporter for CNN, anyone who can install Linux probably does qualify as a "brilliant technologist" to you. I find it interesting to compare societal reactions to hackers as "whiz kids" versus spammers as "sleazy con artists." I'm actually heartened to see that the spammers, phishers, and other scammers are adopting the hackers and the techniques of the hackers - this will do more to reverse society's view of hacking than any other thing we could do.

        If you're a security practitioner, teaching yourself how to hack is also part of the "Hacking is Cool" dumb idea. Think about it for a couple of minutes: teaching yourself a bunch of exploits and how to use them means you're investing your time in learning a bunch of tools and techniques that are going to go stale as soon as everyone has patched that particular hole. It means you've made part of your professional skill-set dependent on "Penetrate and Patch" and you're going to have to be part of the arms-race if you want that skill-set to remain relevant and up-to-date. Wouldn't it be more sensible to learn how to design security systems that are hack-proof than to learn how to identify security systems that are dumb?

        My prediction is that the "Hacking is Cool" dumb idea will be a dead idea in the next 10 years. I'd like to fantasize that it will be replaced with its opposite idea, "Good Engineering is Cool" but so far there is no sign that's likely to happen.

    #7) Being an ISOC ARIN NANOG Thug is Cool
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