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    Re:.NZ is Currently Run in Arizona.USA
    by Anonymous on Saturday May 07 2005, @05:41PM (#15138)
    Simon Lyall wrote:

    > "Yeah, but we've held great conferences in the past without ICANN. I just
    > think that the whole ICANN/Internetnz thing has the capability to hijack
    > NZNOG. "

    This is not the first time I have heard the suggestion, so for clarification
    I will point out:

    - The Wellington ICANN meeting is likely to be the only ICANN meeting in NZ
    for the next decade

    - InternetNZ has sponsored speakers and cash to NZNOG in the past 3 years

    - InternetNZ has not attempted to influence NZNOG organisers into what to
    spend our sponsorship on

    - InternetNZ has the express desire to assist the NOG community to the
    greatest extent possible, in achieving the NOG's aspirations, not
    InternetNZ's.

    - Read my lips - "No hijack".

    The reason for our suggestion that the NZNOG might be held to coincide with
    the Wellington ICANN meeting was purely to extend the opportunity to NZNOG
    to be able to meet some of the absolute thought leaders of the Internet who
    will be in NZ for ICANN, for example:

    - Vint Cerf www.icann.org/biog/cerf.htm and www.worldcom.com/cerfsup
    - Steve Crocker www.icann.org/biog/crocker.htm
    I'd suggest we would not have an Internet at all if it hadn't been for the
    above 2 individuals. Both are still code hackers...
    - Bill Manning - very useful attendee at previous NZNOG's

    I know some people say that ICANN is the political arena of the Internet,
    which is dead true - but within that environment are the geeks who made it
    work in the first place, as well as newer geeks who have great things
    working on the Internet.

    So I urge you all to please shake the mindset that there is some kind of
    hidden agenda, or some desire by InternetNZ to hijack this event. Our
    motives are purely to provide an opportunity for you all to participate in
    sharing in the intellectual property that will be here in NZ anyway.

    If NZNOG wants the event at a different timing, then that is a fair call.
    But to try and undermine InternetNZ's offer by innuendo is grossly unfair.

    Keith Davidson
    President - InternetNZ
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    Re:.NZ is Currently Run in Arizona.USA by Anonymous
    meet some of the absolute thought leaders
    by Anonymous on Saturday May 07 2005, @05:44PM (#15139)
    meet some of the absolute thought leaders of the Internet ???

    Hahahahahahhahaha

    Cerf and Crocker ?
    "thought leaders" ?

    Sheesh, they are as narrow-minded and senile as humans can get.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    Bill Manning - very useful attendee at previous NZ
    by Anonymous on Sunday May 08 2005, @03:18AM (#15141)
    Bill Manning - very useful attendee at previous NZNOG's

    "useful" ?

    Jon Postel's main thug in the ICANN spook tower at Marina Del Rey

    Funded by the U.S. DOD

    ARIN Trustee (as if anyone trusts them)

    Funded via under-the-table IP address space sales

    Provided .WEB with the envelope to put the money in for Jon Postel, then claimed to not know anything about the money.

    Partner of Rodney Joffe and Dave Farber, operators of dozens of TLDs including .NZ
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    "the only ICANN meeting in NZ for the next decade"
    by Anonymous on Sunday May 08 2005, @03:37AM (#15142)
    "the only ICANN meeting in NZ for the next decade"

    NZ should feel that is a plus.

    No meeting would be even better.

    Some think it is better to have one and contain
    the damage and then NZ is free for many years,
    like the U.S. Note: ICANN does not come near the
    U.S. for meetings. ICANN only preys on third-world
    countries.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    "newer geeks who have great things" ?? who ?
    by Anonymous on Sunday May 08 2005, @03:42AM (#15143)
    "ICANN is the political arena of the Internet,
    which is dead true - but within that environment are the geeks who made it
    work in the first place, as well as newer geeks who have great things
    working on the Internet."

    "newer geeks who have great things" ?? who ?

    Looks like Keith Davidson is as clueless as the
    rest of the brain-washed ISOC. When did they suck
    his eyeballs from his head ?
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    Everyone Knows .NZ is Becoming a .AU Province
    by Anonymous on Sunday May 08 2005, @06:58AM (#15144)
    Everyone Knows .NZ is Becoming a .AU Province

    New Zealand and Australia are being merged to
    create a country similar to the .EU. The TLD
    is .AU.

    This is why the U.S. DOD and other agencies send
    thugs (like Bill Manning) into .NZ to lay the
    ground-work.

    The Kiwis in .NZ are being boiled like frogs and
    do not even know it. What is sort of ironic is
    that from a telecom point of view, it does not
    matter. NZ deregulated their telecom after the
    U.S. 1/1/84 AT&T divestiture and Microsoft and
    Ameritech (SBC) bought the .NZ telecom industry.

    The local .NZ internet industry is very amateur
    and run like a BBS network. The ISP owners read
    people's emails and other private communications
    and lord over their small towns via extortion
    and exchange of gossip. It is very third-world.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]


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