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    Imagine Jimmy Hoffa Admitting He Gave Trucks Flats
    by Anonymous on Thursday April 21 2005, @02:43PM (#14955)
    Imagine Jimmy Hoffa Admitting He Gave Trucks Flats

    Imagine going to a Teamster's Union conference
    and having Jimmy Hoffa admit that he thought
    the industry was being "invaded" and he decided
    to conspire to make sure that certain trucking
    companies had mysterious flat tires to drive
    them out of business.

    And of course, pay no attention to the truckers
    that died as their trucks ran into the ditch or
    to the consumer's who did not get their critical
    shipment of medicine and also died.

    Would the .UNION call people like this **TRUSTEES** ???
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    Re:The Blind Paul Vixie and ARIN Trustee Can Not S
    by Anonymous on Friday April 22 2005, @09:53AM (#14962)
    On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 08:39:45PM +0000, Paul Vixie wrote:
    > > > please call them "black hole lists".
    > >
    > > Why?
    >
    > does it matter? i coined the term -- i get to say what i meant.

    If it's used to create blackhole routes then "black hole list" is
    clearly an appropriate term, as it describes the intended usage.

    For lists that are not intended to be used to create blackhole routes,
    it doesn't seem to me to be an accurate description.

    > > If it's because it sounds non-PC to juries, that's an answer I can
    > > accept, BTW.
    >
    > it's because of a possible implied intent do to harm.

    The intent of some of the lists is to do harm, in as much as blocking
    email is harmful to the sender. (For the "subjective" lists such as
    the MAPS RBL or the SpamHaus SBL, rather than the "objective" lists
    such as the CBL, DUL, BOPM, etc).

    However, the dictionary description I have handy for "blacklist" is
    "n. a list of people who are out of favor" which seem a perfectly
    accurate description of the subjective lists.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    Re:The Blind Paul Vixie and ARIN Trustee Can Not S
    by Anonymous on Saturday April 23 2005, @08:59AM (#14976)
    Is this how ARIN forces ISPs to do business with them ?

    Black-holing is the same as other forms of
    extortion and strong-arming. People pick off other
    ISP's traffic at major exchanges (like the ones
    where root servers are located), and then throw
    that traffic away until the ISP agrees to the
    terms set by the ARIN thugs (aka Trustees).

    Why doesn't the U.S. Government have the ARIN
    Trustees in prison for this ?
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]


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