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    Re:Did Cerf Tell Hollywood He Tried to Ban Hardwar
    by Anonymous on Wednesday April 20 2005, @09:55PM (#14945)
    http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/select/1098/int.html

    NATs are a no-no
    HEATH: I was going to say that IEEE Spectrum should make it very clear that this group's consensus would appear to be: let's discourage NATs--I mean the manufacture of them at all--because there is a real need for IPv6.

    HUITEMA: It's more than that. There is a real need for security and you can't have security with NATs.

    CERF: NAT is a guaranteed spoofing box in effect.

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    Re:Did Cerf Tell Hollywood He Tried to Ban Hardwar
    by Anonymous on Wednesday April 20 2005, @10:05PM (#14947)
    http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/select/1098/int.html

    DEERING: And if you don't force NAT boxes on the customers, that means that each customer needs more than one, because Junior has his computer, and the kitchen has its computer, and so forth.

    HUITEMA: Even if you have only one, we're speaking of an order of magnitude. So that's a major discontinuity.

    If you look at the address consumption, it doesn't exactly flatten out. It's still growing at something like 50 million a year, but it's not exponential any more because there are all these constraint policies. But this discontinuity is looming. And people being on-line all the time instead of sometimes is a major discontinuity.

    CERF: That's a good point.

    HUITEMA: And the other discontinuity I see happening is IP security. Organizations bought time by using those private addresses, NATs, and so on, and they are finding out that it just doesn't work. It's funny because we studied that; in '91 and '92 we had the ROAD working group [an IETF effort before the IPng development]. It won't work because people need end-to-end security, encryption.

    So we knew that NAT wouldn't work. It has been tried in the market, and it works sometimes, and then it doesn't work any more.
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