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    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Wednesday April 20 2005, @05:14PM (#14942)
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    One also wonders if this [windley.com] recent talk by Vint was ICANN related, other than at the end, when he asserts that ICANN ain't broke so doesn't need fixing (IE: being denutted by the ITU).

    Many of the areas Vint gives as trouble spots and challenges aren't properly within ICANN's purview by any stretch, which hasn't stopped them from meddling in those areas (most often with net negative consequences). Many of the other areas he lists are within ICANN's proper purview and here in many cases they have been at best very late to the party and at worst are still ignoring those areas (both again usually causing net negative consequences). ICANN is most assuredly broke (other than in a monetary sense).

    I haven't been a fan of Vint Cerf since soon after ICANN's birth. So he co-invented a protocol long since. He just doesn't get it. It's like digging up Alexander Graham Bell and asking him to tek your cellphone. -g

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    Did Cerf Tell Hollywood He Tried to Ban Hardware ?
    by Anonymous on Wednesday April 20 2005, @09:35PM (#14944)
    Did Cerf Tell Hollywood He Tried to Ban Hardware ?

    In the pre-1998 time-frame Vinton Cerf,
    Jon Postel, Don Heath (ISOC) and some of the
    other usual insiders documented Roundtable
    Discussions published in the IEEE Spectrum
    magazine, in which they actually suggested that
    they get bans placed on the development and
    sale of hardware platforms that did not match
    their narrow-minded view of networking.

    Major Hollywood Producers that are now working
    closely on CDPs (Content Delivery Platforms)
    are advised to understand the level of ego
    maniacs they are dealing with when it comes to
    Cerf, ICANN, the ISOC and the IETF. Unfortunately,
    the secular press does not seem to report on
    the real facts and history. They will probably
    start claiming that Vinton Cerf and Al Gore
    (or Hillary) invented Internet video.

    Cerf is a clown in a cheap three-piece suit.
    He is best kept inside the circus tent so that
    he does not embarrass the majority of humans
    who are focused on planet Earth and not Mars.
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    SPECTRUM: Intellectual property?
    by Anonymous on Wednesday April 20 2005, @09:58PM (#14946)
    SPECTRUM: Intellectual property?

    POSTEL: No, not intellectual property in general. There will be an aspect in which it will govern domain names. If there is an aspect of domain-name management, in which people with intellectual property rights to certain names get to say something about how those names are used, then that is an interaction with the domain-name policy.

    HEATH: But that's a small part of intellectual property.

    POSTEL: It's a small part in general. What's going on IANA is setting up a new mechanism to manage an IANA that's community-based, not government-funded. It raises the funds it needs to operate from the community of users that it serves. And it's really just a replacement for the kinds of functions that the old IANA had performed, without taking on any substantially different new tasks.

    CERF: I don't differ from Jon's view except for one observation. Historically, a lot of what IANA did, in terms of assigning responsibility for managing domains and so on, was done in a relatively benign context. It was a voluntary thing, the value of the thing managed wasn't quantified in any particular way.

    As time has gone on, and as the network has become more commercial--and its growth vector has been driven by commercial interests--some of the things that were essentially valueless or at least not evaluated have become a lot more visible, domain names being an example.

    So in this new IANA structure, that will have to be taken into account. It will probably increase the complexity of the job. Because, Jon, you will be subject to scrutiny and concern about how various assignments are made and whether they were fair and equitable and whether or not someone's interests were hurt. Where in the past that was less of an issue, it will now be more of an issue. To that extent, the job is more complex.

    It also means that the community base has to be as solid as we can make it in order to withstand the stresses that are brought on exactly by those commercial aspects.

    POSTEL: I certainly agree with Vint [Cerf] that the perceived value of the things that IANA manages has become noticed and enlarged. So policies and procedures are going to have to be developed through open debate and they're going to have to be followed carefully so that there is not even a perception of favoritism or anything between the parties that access these resources. It's going to be very critical in the future.
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    Hollywood - October 2005 - Is Any One at ICANN ?
    by Anonymous on Wednesday April 20 2005, @10:26PM (#14948)
    The ICANN Staff might actually have to come into
    the office for one week this year.

    "NANOG and ARIN are very pleased to announce our fourth joint meeting, to
    be held this fall in Los Angeles. Many thanks to Equinix, our host--
    we'll look forward to seeing you Oct. 23-25 (NANOG) and Oct. 26-28 (ARIN.)"
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    "ICANN and VeriSign have reached agreement"
    by Anonymous on Wednesday April 20 2005, @10:31PM (#14949)
    Now that ICANN and VeriSign see how .NET (and .COM) are being front-ended (via $49 routers) they move very fast.

    http://www.icann.org/announcements/announ cement-20apr05.htm

    "ICANN entered into intensive and speedy negotiations with VeriSign, the top-ranked applicant, based upon the previously posted form of agreement. ICANN and VeriSign have reached agreement in principle on all substantive terms."
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    Cerf ISOC Cerf ARIN Cerf Worldcom Cerf ICANN
    by Anonymous on Thursday April 21 2005, @06:52AM (#14950)
    "The really dangerous American fascists," Wallace wrote, "are not those who are hooked up directly or indirectly with the Axis. The FBI has its finger on those. The dangerous American fascist is the man who wants to do in the United States in an American way what Hitler did in Germany in a Prussian way. The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power."

    In this, Wallace was using the classic definition of the word "fascist" - the definition Mussolini had in mind when he claimed to have invented the word. (It was actually Italian philosopher Giovanni Gentile who wrote the entry in the Encyclopedia Italiana that said: "Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." Mussolini, however, affixed his name to the entry, and claimed credit for it.)

    As the 1983 American Heritage Dictionary noted, fascism is: "A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism."

    Mussolini was quite straightforward about all this. In a 1923 pamphlet titled "The Doctrine of Fascism" he wrote, "If classical liberalism spells individualism, Fascism spells government." But not a government of, by, and for We The People - instead, it would be a government of, by, and for the most powerful corporate interests in the nation.

    In 1938, Mussolini brought his vision of fascism into full reality when he dissolved Parliament and replaced it with the "Camera dei Fasci e delle Corporazioni" - the Chamber of the Fascist Corporations. Corporations were still privately owned, but now instead of having to sneak their money to folks like Tom DeLay and covertly write legislation, they were openly in charge of the government.

    Vice President Wallace bluntly laid out in his 1944 Times article his concern about the same happening here in America:

    " If we define an American fascist as one who in case of conflict puts money and power ahead of human beings, then there are undoubtedly several million fascists in the United States. There are probably several hundred thousand if we narrow the definition to include only those who in their search for money and power are ruthless and deceitful. ... They are patriotic in time of war because it is to their interest to be so, but in time of peace they follow power and the dollar wherever they may lead."
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    Domain Names Now Being Hard-Coded in Products
    by Anonymous on Thursday April 21 2005, @09:19AM (#14951)
    ICANN and the U.S. Government policies have pushed product developers to a point where they have no choice but to "Hard-Code" their domain names into their products. As an example, Microsoft.COM can not risk allowing lookups to be diverted away from its servers. New versions of Windows have to have their own proprietary way to locate the real Microsoft.COM. The name Microsoft.COM has to be hard-coded into the products and it does not matter who registers it or in what registry-du-jour their software can locate their nameservers.

    One of the reasons for this is that ISPs are now directing (routing) based on the Protocol Number instead of the destination address. With 20% to 30% of Internet traffic being DNS related, it pays to divert that traffic to another control plane. Local DNS servers then handle the look-ups no matter what the destination address is in the packet. People can no longer use alternate root servers. The ISP decides how ALL names are resolved and of course cooperates with ICANN and the U.S. Government to log and disclose what names you are looking up.
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    Hollywood Understands Cable.TV - Cerf Does Not
    by Anonymous on Thursday April 21 2005, @01:51PM (#14953)
    Hollywood Understands Cable.TV - Cerf Does Not

    Hollywood understands how cable TV started small
    and added value around the edges of the broadcast
    TV industry. That same thing is now (finally)
    happening with the .NET.

    Cerf is stuck in the broadcast paradigm, in the
    world of .PBS While it is true that .PBS has
    some top notch content, the majority of people
    prefer the more diverse offerings of Cable.TV.

    ICANN does not cater to the majority, they cater
    to their small circle of aging male narrow-minded
    diletants. Hollywood will not be kissing their

    Hollywood should be concerned about the spooks
    in the ICANN tower at Marina Del Rey, who monitor
    the moves in .LA via eavesdropping on the harbor
    and via black-holing the .NET. That is the world
    that Cerf understands and promotes.
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