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    A couple of questions
    by gpmgroup on Sunday October 17 2004, @05:00AM (#14362)
    User #3785 Info | http://www.gpmgroup.com/
    The whole point of TLDs is classification to bring logical groups of sites together for the end user.

    ccTLDs are the fastest growing area of the internet, the reason is they represent logical constituencies. The new gTLDs have had a limited impact on the web even .info the largest of these. The usage of the alternative .ws .cc, and .nu ccTLDs is shrinking.

    So how does .web help the end user? What does it signify in their minds as its reason to exist?
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      Re:A couple of questions
      by KarlAuerbach on Sunday October 17 2004, @11:49PM (#14365)
      User #3243 Info | http://www.cavebear.com/
      The idea that a TLD is an organization feature is your interpretation and merely an interpretion. TLDs as categories is not something required by technology.

      By-the-way, a domain name is a key to an entire set of record types, only one type of which contains IPv4 address information. And once you get an address the machine that it references can export a wide collection of services.

      Consequently the idea of a domain name as any sort of categorization tool breaks down as soon as one breaks out of the "internet is the world wide web" mentality.

      Who cares what .web means to the mind of the end user. Exactly what "Disney" meant to folks in 1920 and exactly what .com meant to folks in 1970 - nothing. It's up to IOD to create their brand. And they should not be denied the opportunity to do so.
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    .ftp
    by GeorgeK on Sunday October 17 2004, @11:48AM (#14363)
    User #3191 Info | http://www.kirikos.com/
    .web didn't make much sense to me as an extension. It would be as useful as .ftp. The internet is more than just the Web, so an organization that invested in a .web would look foolish as the internet changes. .web is a subdomain trying to be a TLD.

    I think a lot of the IP holders are sick of wannabe TLDs like this one, looking to extract more money from TM-holders that need to protect their brands. Given the failure of .biz and .info, I think there's a strong case that we need no further TLDs for a while.
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      Re:.ftp
      by KarlAuerbach on Sunday October 17 2004, @11:54PM (#14366)
      User #3243 Info | http://www.cavebear.com/
      Your logic, if reduced to fundamentals, says that your choice supersedes IOD's. Why should that be? Why should they not be allowed to suceed or fail based on their own efforts and own money?

      As for the cry's of trademark holders - they are perfectly capable of going to Congress and asking for legislation that says "a name in another TLD does not weaken a mark."

      Trademark law is being used to block innovation - that is very, very wrong.
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    • Re:.ftp by Anonymous Monday October 18 2004, @07:31PM
      • Re:.ftp by GeorgeK Tuesday October 19 2004, @09:37AM
    IOD joins ISOC = TLD Rubber stamp approval?
    by GideonsLastSon on Sunday October 17 2004, @02:29PM (#14364)
    User #3824 Info | http://icannwatch.jothan.at/start.php
    I support IOD for .WEB, alwys have. I truly feel for Chris Ambler's tireless pursuit of the .WEB TLD.

    After watching the process Chris has been so unfortunately victim of, and watching who the players have been throughout the process, it is a rational and logical conclusion that the ISOC membership players operate ICANN and navigate their decisions to the advantage of their constituency.

    In watching the ISOC evolution into ICANN, and after seeing so many ISOC members benefit from ICANN's decisions, not to mention the board seat gaming, I am surprised that there are not more people who are drawing these same conclusions publicly.

    I would like to see Image Online Design obtain the delegation of the .WEB TLD.

    Chris, have you entertained the thought of joining the ISOC?

    Clearly the products of ICANN benefit that group's members over any other, so I would be led to the conclusion that it could not hurt your chances.

    I am glad to see that you have continued to pursue the process, and did not abandon hope as Jay Fenello and Iperdome did with .PER after realizing the futility.
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    Chris Ambler Rules
    by hofjes on Monday October 18 2004, @11:19AM (#14368)
    User #60 Info
    I have been involved in the ICANN "process" since the the beginning. I have a tremendous amount of respect for Chris Ambler, his technical savvy, ideas, and tenacity. The frustration is warranted.

    Chris, I hope charma catches up and eventually awards you the .web registry (or the functional equivalent) and that you generate a lot of revenue from it.
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    The Age of Translation Begins - Circa 2004
    by Anonymous on Tuesday October 19 2004, @12:00AM (#14371)
    The Age of Translation Begins - Circa 2004

    The .WEB Routers for home users map (translate)
    icannwatch.web to icannwatch.DynDNS.WS.
    The icannwatch.DynDNS.WS name is FREE. Home
    users like FREE domain names.

    It is SMOP - "simple matter of programming".
    See also http://www.OpenWRT.org and DNSMASQ
    and the .WEB Package.

    Need some Piled-Higher-and-Deeper (.PHD) reference ?

    http://www.circleid.com/article/783_0_1_0_C/
    A paper by Dr. John C. Klensin, former Vice President of Internet Architecture at AT&T, a Distinguished Engineering Fellow at MCI WorldCom, and Principal Research Scientist at MIT.

    "Translating TLD Names

    Fortunately for the designer of user interfaces, there are only about 260 country-code TLD names, and another 14 generic names. The country-code list changes only very slowly. ICANN plans for the generic name list to grow moderately, but not dramatically, in the foreseeable future. Maintaining a translation table in which around 300 names are kept together with convenient local forms is a fairly simple matter of programming. In general, user interface software would examine a presumed TLD name and, if it were in the local character set, attempt to translate it to the standard (ASCII) form using that table. Similarly, it would be feasible to translate standard-form names to local ones for user convenience."
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    Which Member?
    by Anonymous on Tuesday October 19 2004, @03:33AM (#14373)
    "I was actually told by a member of that group that I wasn't welcome at the public meetings."

    Chris, which member of told you that?
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    Another tld, another $
    by Anonymous on Thursday October 21 2004, @04:10PM (#14381)
    Collect another fee, kick 'em in the @$$, call it a day.

    Money for nuthin' and the kicks for free.

    Elliott Spitzer are you available?
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