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    Re:You need to rethink "internet governance"
    by Anonymous on Friday October 15 2004, @06:24AM (#14355)
    1. What you define as expressions, other people would define as crimes. May I remind you that it is illegal in the US also to reveal the identity of say CIA agents.

    2. This is not about internet governance, because the servers in question didn't "govern" the internet in any way. They had no cntral position in hw the internet at large works. They were just ordinary web servers. Internet governance is about the root servers and tlds' name servers, ip-addresses, routing policies, etc. It's about how the internet at large is run, not about a couple of lowly webservers somewhere in the UK.

    3. Most hacking incidents cross geographical borders. In order to have effective law enforcement, the police need to be able to investigate issues on foreign servers.
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    Re:You need to rethink "internet governance" by Anonymous
    one more try
    by Mueller ({mueller} {at} {syr.edu}) on Saturday October 16 2004, @07:29PM (#14361)
    User #2901 Info | http://istweb.syr.edu/~mueller/
    >1. What you define as expressions, other people
      >would define as crimes. May I remind you that
      >it is illegal in the US also to reveal the
      >identity of say CIA agents.

    Oh, you mean like what the Bush admin. did? Anyway, if a newspaper published images of CIA agents should they shut down the entire newspaper and all associated wire services for five days? Or should the people responsible be prosecuted?

    >2. This is not about internet governance,
    >because the servers in question didn't "govern"
      >the internet in any way. They had no cntral
      >position in hw the internet at large works.
      >They were just ordinary web servers. Internet
      >governance is about the root servers and tlds'
      >name servers, ip-addresses, routing policies,
      >etc. It's about how the internet at large is
      >run, not about a couple of lowly webservers
      >somewhere in the UK.

    This is your, arbitrary definition of Internet governance. It is not the one in use by the people involved in the global debate over IG. You can get up to speed on that here:
    http://www.internetgovernance.org. [internetgovernance.org]

    >3. Most hacking incidents cross geographical
      >borders. In order to have effective law
      >enforcement, the police need to be able to
      >investigate issues on foreign servers.

    No disagreement here. The question is, who set the rules for these investigations? The point I am making is that these kinds of transnational law enforcement agreements constitute "Internet governance," despite the fact that most Americans are in denial that such a thing exists.
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