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    Paul Vixie Realizes He Is Being Slam Dunked ?
    by Anonymous on Monday July 19 2004, @11:12AM (#13984)
    > ... Why doesn't this group join hand to insure full exploitation of IPv6?

    based on http://www.chinatechnews.com/index.php?action=show &type=news&id=1405,
    i'd say that the answer to that question is implied by the following quote:

                    China and the United States are currently the only two countries
                    that possess root domain name analysis servers, IP address servers,
                    independent domain names, IP addresses and MAC address sources.

    IPv6 is apparently being seen as just one more way in which the United States
    is trying to dominate the world's commerce and communications systems. The
    IPv9 team in China is able to justify continued government funding simply by
    saying that "this will make China a peer of the United States".

    One way of reading these tea leaves is to say that ICANN hasn't been seen as
    truly open, truly inclusive, or truly independent. "Lapdog of the US-DoC"
    was one critic's description. Speaking as an early adopter of Vint's and
    Jon's philosophy of openness/inclusiveness/interoperability, it's really
    painful to see balkanization and to consider it inevitable.
    Paul Vixie
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    Re:Paul Vixie Realizes He Is Being Slam Dunked ?
    by Anonymous on Monday July 19 2004, @11:15AM (#13985)
    From: "Christian Huitema"
    Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:00:41 -0700

    Paul, this IPv9 hoopla strikes me as another research project harping
    the nationalistic chord in order to get funding. This is not exactly
    news. It was a common undertone in many European research proposals in
    the 1980's and 1990's, and it is also a classic line in NSF or DARPA
    proposals. The officials in the Chinese government may fall for that
    line a few times, but I believe that they are smart and will eventually
    allocate their grants based on technical merit rather than non-technical

    There is however an interesting technical point behind all these
    discussions of number allocations. The general Internet architecture is
    largely decentralized, but we have accepted to rely on a few centralized
    functions. The obvious ones are DNS names and IP addresses, but there
    are many others, such as port numbers and generally the various
    registries held by IANA.

    Centralized registries are expedient, and are not a big concern when the
    network is small, or when the central authority is virtuous. However,
    the network is big and the central authority becomes a locus of power.
    The history text books teach us that loci of power attract politicians
    and politician-friendly profiteers, and the Internet does not appear to
    be an exception.

    It seems that we, the IETF community, have been complacent to
    centralization and have dug ourselves in a centralization hole. We may
    hope to get out of it by ensuring that ICANN remains in charge and
    remains virtuous, but that goes very much against all historic

    When in a hole, one should obviously first stop digging: that would mean
    a moratorium on the creation of IANA registries. One should also think
    hard about technical alternatives to central registries. In some case,
    that may mean a slightly larger field in a protocol format, so a large
    random number can be used instead of a short registered number. In other
    cases, like name resolution, that may require a technical break-through.
    But we should definitely think about it!

    -- Christian Huitema
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