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    the true agenda of the "Meltdown"
    by Anonymous on Tuesday July 27 2004, @10:40AM (#14044)
    Ah, so the true agenda of the "Meltdown" Conference comes out, NAT (IPv8) Bashing.

    And of course, the .EDU Postel People arrive
    with a non-viable solution that will never
    compete with the IPv9 (Cisco/Linksys) Routers
    now flowing out of China.
    -------

    July 26, 2004
    Preventing the Internet Meltdown
    I'm in LA at PFIR's "Preventing the Internet Meltdown" conference. I'll report here (when the NATted Net isn't melting down), and I'd also be watching Susan Crawford, Ed Felten, Mary Bridges, Karl Auerbach, and Michael Froomkin.

    Posted by Wendy at July 26, 2004 12:04 PM | TrackBack

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    On Monday, the first day of Preventing the Internet Meltdown, as Wendy reports above, the NAT melted the Internet access down.

    It has been unfortunate that there has been so little discussion of current meltdowns like this. NATs are like the weather; everyone talks about them, but nobody seems to do anything about them.

    FYI, I installed USC/ISI's TetherNet (http://www.isi.edu/tethernet ) to restore network connectivity, as a bit of 'climate control'. TetherNet connects to a NAT'd Internet connection and un-does what a NAT does. The room has since been on the _real_ Internet, with real, routable IP addresses, forward _and_ reverse DNS, etc.

    Joe

    Posted by: on July 27, 2004 08:56 AM

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    IPv8 and IPv9 Wireless Router Information
    by Anonymous on Wednesday July 28 2004, @07:00AM (#14048)
    IPv8 and IPv9 Wireless Router Information
    http://www.portless.net/ewrt [portless.net]
    http://openwrt.ksilebo.net [ksilebo.net]
    http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/LinksysWr t54g [seattlewireless.net]
    http://www.linksys.com/support/gpl.asp [linksys.com]
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    Re:the true agenda of the "Meltdown"
    by Anonymous on Wednesday July 28 2004, @11:14AM (#14049)
    From Wendy the Watcher:
    Scott Bradner noted that "the value of conference will be inversely proportional to time spent bashing ICANN."
    ----
    Correct, pay no attention to ARIN either. Scott
    has been over there since day one. Pay no attention
    to the pile of cash ARIN has and the pricing
    for IANA-supplied IP address allocations.
    ----
    Instead, waste your time on agenda items that
    the ISOC insiders want you to address. Pay no
    attention to where the .ORG fees go. The
    "community" consensus is that they are very
    happy and comfortable and now well-funded.
    Like any major labor union, the rank and file
    members need to be distracted with discussions
    about harmless topics and topics which do not
    result in the insiders collecting their fees.

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    Re:the true agenda of the "Meltdown"
    by Anonymous on Wednesday July 28 2004, @11:39AM (#14050)
    This is amazing, some of the major Internet
    **regulators** (and control freaks) gather to
    discuss the threats that THEIR policies pose
    to the Internet.

    http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/home/
    "Panelists have offered conflicting views on what "Internet governance" means, but they agreed on the central point that looming regulations pose threats to the Internet as we know it."
    ~~~~~

    "looming" ? the regulators have been around for
    years, controlling the IP address allocations,
    gaming the name-space expansion, and handing
    control to any government insider that comes
    along. They fund themselves by selling out their
    fellow netizens for a few pieces of silver.

    Now ? they are concerned about regulators ?
    What is that old saying ?
    "We have met the enemy and it is ourselves"

    Mao Tse-Tung was of course the master of the
    game the "meldown" people are playing. Create
    a debate and use that to silence diversity.

      On the Correct Handling of Contradictions Among the People (February 27, 1957)

    Of all the quotations in the "Little Red Book" none is more inspiring or chilling than this. It comes from a brief period of reform in the fifties known as the "Hundred Flowers Campaign" during which Mao encouraged complete freedom of thought, including criticism of the Party. The result was much more vigorous debate than Mao had expected and the period ended with an abrupt crackdown against those who had raised their voices in opposition. It could stand as a critique of the failures of the Cultural Revolution itself, which tried to settle ideological questions by force under the guise of debate.

    Letting a hundred flowers blossom and a hundred schools of thought contend is the policy for promoting the progress of the arts and the sciences and a flourishing socialist culture in our land. Different forms and styles in art should develop freely and contend freely. We think that it is harmful to the growth of art and science if administrative measures are used to impose one particular style of art or school of thought and to ban another. Questions of right and wrong in the arts and sciences should be settled through free discussion in artistic and scientific circles and through practical work in these fields. They should not be settled in summary fashion.
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