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    Re: Global Name Registry Response to Edelman Study
    by Anonymous on Wednesday June 12 2002, @12:49PM (#7132)
    I don't know what you splatter about. If a friend calls me 'The Best' then this is a commonly known name for me and i would be entitled to register it. Also where stands that rebecca.rebecca.name is not the real name of a Rebecca Rebecca. Or The Martins Family is commonly known as 'The Martins' on their street would be eligable to register the.martins.name. The whole research by Ben is useless since he did not verify that the registered names are not really the names people are known as, or maybe their real names. How would you figure out if a registered domain name is the real name or a common known name of a person. Would you ask all his/her friends to provide proof that they really call a person 'The Best'? I can understand .name really that they (or any other company would have the same problem) can't check each registration, nor that they are willing to check at all. The amount of time needed, the amount of staff and money would be extremely high. Also if somebody in India registers a name how would you want to check that one up? Have you ever seen for example a passport from this country? Could you tell the difference between a real passport from India or a forged one? How about people that don't have a passport or any other proof of ID since their country does not provide such papers. Shall these people be locked out to register their .name domain name (or any other TLD)? Wouldn't that be discrimination?
    Could you tell that an obvious english sounding name is really an english name? Or might it be a Korean name, vietnamese or whatever name. In China (and other asian countries) it is common that people have english sounding names, due to the history as english colonies. Long is a chinese first name even though it sounds english, so is Lee just this time as a common last name in China and a common first name in english speaking countries. Also what about all the people who share names like James, or Sato in Japan? I don't want to know how many Kojin Sato are existing in Japan, but that is one of the most common names like Smith is for english speaking countries.

    What wonders me actually more about this whole story is the timing of Ben Edelmans so called research. Right before .org is been put on the table. The Global Name Registry is for sure to place a bid as well for the .org business and due to the brilliant start they had and the solid systems they run (unlike Affilias which is dropping all the time of the net) they would have a good chance. It is a known fact that Ben Edelmans influence in ICANN is bigger than anybody wants to admit. He is not only the scriber for ICANN and they refer to him as a consultancy source. Is he maybe in a deal with another party (maybe Afilias or Poptel) to make sure that the bigger players in this bid are dumped before they even have a chance to place a bid? Why did ICANN not release any official statement to this whole story? Are they behind a plot that we can't oversee yet? Is there insider dealing involved? It should not be allowed for anybody who has anything to do with ICANN to publish any information about relationships. Obvious Ben had insider knowledge. How rock solid is ICANN? Is ICANN the organization we should trust with all Internet matters? Or is this organization foul and rotten and corrupt? Why did Ben Edelman not conduct similar studies on .info and .biz? Why was not stated that Afilias with the permanent down times on their TLD is in breach of their contract with ICANN. Sometimes you can't reach a single DNS Server of theirs, and that not only lasts a few seconds once in a while. It lasts for hours and with a regular precision (the reason why i cancelled my domain with them). If i recall it right .com is the commercial TLD... why can i register a .com as a private person with not a single commercial intention behind the registration. Why can i as a private person register a .net which should be reserved for Networks. Who watches over this and why does Verisign not conduct investigations on these TLDs.

    Ben Edelmans article is based on a single company and not the complete DNS system world wide, with the failings of all companies included. The article should include a statement more like "TLDs are often not conform to their own Terms and conditions". And underfunded student i can see just as a joke from your side. Ben Edelman is in my eyes everything but underfunded. More likely a big headed student who just writes something together without detailed proof if his statements are right or not. His article is not a research it is a thesis.... a wild guess into the blue. Sure something like rebecca.rebecca.name looks suspicious, but did he proof that this is not her real first and lastname? No he did not provide this proof nor did he provide proof for any other of his examples. So one can't say he uncovered anything, he guessed allot would be the right phrase. And a guess is not research. I as his professor would ask him if he actually wants to pass his exams, if yes then he should start researching and not guessing. I personally don't give a damn who will win the .org business, as long as it runs and my domain not falls of the Internet all the time. If it is Affilias and they mess up again then i have to cancel my .org as well. But the whole thing should not be dependant on a scriber of ICANN who likes to throw dirt and sticks with his own neck in dirt. The whole story stinks like an old rotten fish.

    Kojin Sato
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    Re: Global Name Registry Response to Edelman Study by Anonymous
    Re: GNR & Edelman study
    by Anonymous on Wednesday June 12 2002, @07:03PM (#7141)
    Kojin,

    Ben's study is just one of many examples of how cybersquatters have been able to bend the rules to register names in violation of the rules. Ben has done his homework, and produced some good results. His research is helpful, and in light of the ICANN hearings, very timely. This stuff will be considered by the US DoC and Congress as they review ICANN's MOU agreement. Ben has also highlighted a situation where a registry, GNR, has clearly decided to change how it operates. GNR is not following its original agreement with ICANN for .name and it is treating .name as if it were an open TLD. This is wrong. Ben's work will force GNR to follow its mandate. You are wrong.
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    Standards of research and proof
    by edelman@law.harvard. on Friday June 14 2002, @06:59AM (#7175)
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    Kojin,

    You raised a number of interesting points. Key among them, as I think about future work using generally similar methodology, is the question of how much research and verification is necessary to support an inference.

    You suggested, for example, that my listing of "rebecca.rebecca.name" does not, in and of itself, establish that this .NAME was registered by someone other than a person in fact named Rebecca Rebecca, or commonly known as such.

    You're certainly correct that I have not "proven" as much to an absolute certainty. And you're right that it would be difficult and costly to prove this, to an absolute certainty.

    But my goal wasn't to prove that any particular domain was absolutely and indisputably out of conformity with .NAME restrictions. Instead, my goal was to document a large number of domains that seemingly were likely not to conform to the rules. I've reported my raw data in a number of different formats, letting anyone interested examine the data for themselves. To me, the implication is quite clear -- Rebecca Rebecca may (conceivably, though I think unlikely!) be a person's actual or commonly-known name, but a decent portion of the names in my listings are not.

    Tabulating names by registrant also supports this inference. Take a look at .NAME Registrants with Most Nonconforming Registrations, with Listings of Registered Domain Names. Look at the 625 .NAMEs registered by Pascal Leemann-Pluot (the registrant with the most .NAMEs in my sample). He has names like bonaparte.napoleon.name, boogie.man.name, bossa.nova.name, box.office.name, brain.surgeon.name, brown.lady.name, bus.ratp.name, buy.discount.name -- and that's just a sample of the names that start with B. My own inference, based primarily on reading through this list of names, is that Mr. Leemann-Pluot is, in the overwhelming majority of his registrations, not in conformance with the .NAME registration requirements. Can I prove it to an absolute certainty? I suppose not -- maybe he has a friend who does call him "Buy Discount" on a frequent basis. But I doubt it.


    Ben
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