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    Re: How Speculators Can Help Themselves, And ICANN
    by Anonymous on Thursday June 06 2002, @12:55PM (#6905)
    You want to do everything without "enriching" anyone. Too bad about that. What's the motivation if not profit?

    With all due respect Mr. Tobias, if you expect your site to educate the masses, we're in for a long wait!

    The whole engine runs on money, including the internet and domains. You speak as if making a profit was a crime. FYI, it's not!
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    Re: How Speculators Can Help Themselves, And ICANN by Anonymous
    Re: How Speculators Can Help Themselves, And ICANN
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Thursday June 06 2002, @09:10PM (#6918)
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    Until the concept of domains being a commodity, and hence worth money, came along, the DNS part of the internet engine hummed along just fine. In fact, it worked better than it does now, I would say largely because the original motivation was not profit. Speculation isn't illegal (nor IMHO should it be) but we're dealing with a closed system, if you're going to profit, someone else has to lose. That is contrary to the collaborative effort that built the internet, and it shows. I don't think it entirely a co-incidence that the more money (or the expectation of profit) enters the equation, the less innovation ensues.

    Just for grins, here's an old WHOIS record for your edification (I've replaced some data with * lest it is still accurate):

    whois -h rs.internic.net mcdonalds.com

    McDonalds (MCDONALDS-DOM)
    *4 Crescent Drive
    Huntington, NY 1174*
    Domain Name: MCDONALDS.COM
    Administrative Contact:
    Quittner, Josh (JQ5) quit@NEWSD*Y.COM
    (516) 843-2*06
    Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
    Behlendorf, Brian (BB1*3)
    (415) 222-63*0
    Record last updated on 12-Jul-94.

    For those who don't know the story, Joshua Quittner registered mcdonalds.com (and various other well known names) in 1994 for an article in Wired magazine. He then approached the companies and asked them if they wanted the domains. The general attitude was No, why?. After all, how could one sell burgers online? That was before the hype. Now we have speculators registering e-burger123.tv and expecting to turn a profit. I don't think that's an improvement. As for what happened to mcdonalds.com, Mayor McCheese and Co. eventually figured out that, while they might never sell burgers online (they still don't), they felt it was properly their name (there's that trademark thing) and they wanted it from Quittner. He made them a deal, if they'd fund a computer lab for an inner-city school, he'd hand it over. They did, and he did. Hard to believe that was less than a decade ago, we've sure made a mess of things since then, and the profit motive is largely to blame. -g

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