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    Re: whois accuracy, US House Subcommittee
    by Anonymous on Thursday February 05 2004, @12:36PM (#12929)
    Forgime me, but I do appreciate Rick Wesson's testimony
    before the US House Subcommittee on Courts, the Internet and Intellectual Property.
    And I am not Intellectual Property lawyer, I am even not a lawyer.

    As an individual, I will never ever buy anything on the Internet unless the selling company complies with a fundamental rule: by publishing on its website (main page) its legal name, VAT number, association number, company number, postal address, telephone, fax and email, working business hours and the law under which it operates. Which I will double check in the WHOIS of the domain name extension. If the TLD extension is not providing complete WHOIS, I will ignore all companies operating with domain names under that extension.

    In summary, if you are a company selling services or goods to me you better understand what I care about: make sure to market with a well known legal flag in your extension, and ensure that the TLD Registry operating that extension makes WHOIS data available. Having tools to check validity of zip codes, phone numbers and city name is precisely giving means to a user to not be fooled.

    If there is something to be done by governments with regard to Internet, is to enforce on their own nationals or residents: companies, organizations, governmental institutions the rule to publish on the first page, easy access, all pertinent information related to the legal existence of those entities. To make populations aware they have to be cautious, to teach that there is a second source to double check: WHOIS at TLD extension.

    Two examples.

    On the Denic's main page, www.denic.de , right corner, same size of font as anything else, there is Impressum and Kontakt. The company number is in Germany, there is a long list of phone numbers and faxes, they operate under German an European law.
    When I query whois.de for [company-name].de, I get an answer.

    On the Niue's main page, www.nic.nu, there is nothing, besides the name ".NU Domain Ltd" and several tariffs in Euros. Is that an English or an Irish company? Nope. One shall dig into "Terms & Conditions", read until Article 12, to discover maybe a hint:

    "Unlawful Use" will be determined based on the laws of the jurisdictions of .NU Domain Ltd or WorldNames, Inc. (the United States and the States of Massachusetts and Delaware).

    When I query whois.nu for [company-name].nu, I get an IP adress of a name server.

    Do you still expect me to buy with my credit card number from any business operating with a domain name under .nu extension?

    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    Kudos to Steve Metalitz
    by GeorgeK on Thursday February 05 2004, @07:47PM (#12932)
    User #3191 Info | http://www.kirikos.com/
    Great work, getting the WHOIS accuracy issue in the spotlight. We've seen this issue debated on mailing lists for ages, and I'm happy to see things go this way. It encourages responsible behaviour having the ownership data in plain view.

    If someone valued their "privacy" at infinity, they can and should rationally spend the extra $4 or so for a "Domains by Proxy" type solution that GoDaddy and others offer. Someone who doesn't want to go for that solution is telling the world that they value their privacy at below $4, and thus can't argue in good faith that it's a major issue to them. Having anonymous/fake WHOIS shifts the legal burdens and costs to victims, and away from the abusers.

    If the benefits of private/anonymous registrations are so enormous, reducing those benefits by $4 won't hurt the registrants overall.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    US Subcommittee are Intellectually Challenged
    by WIPOorgUK on Friday February 06 2004, @12:50AM (#12935)
    User #3146 Info | http://wipo.org.uk/
    Fact - they are pathetic monkey brained morons.

    My phone number is not in British Telecom directory - yet I still get phone calls from companies saying that I asked for financial advice.

    I bet you do not believe me - but the latest was last night from America.
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    by yggdrazil on Friday February 06 2004, @05:55AM (#12938)
    User #3293 Info
    The .dk registry, DK Hostmaster, sends a letter by postal mail to the legal contact of each and every new .dk domain name, containing a PIN number that has to be entered at their web site in order to activate the domain.

    Alas, domains with bogus postal addresses don't get activated anymore under .dk
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    • Re:.dk by Anonymous Friday February 06 2004, @11:01AM
    Why is this debate happening?
    by Anonymous on Friday February 06 2004, @12:39PM (#12944)
    As far as I can tell, this bill merely increases sentences for criminal activity or increases damages for civil infractions such as trademark or copyright infringement.

    Thus, if I used a made-up name and phone number to register the domain I use for my football enthusiast blog, this law cannot touch me until I start encouraging people to bomb the superbowl or start passing myself off as being affilated with the NFL.

    Will somebody please tell me I'm wrong about this?
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    More FOISA coverage
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Monday February 09 2004, @07:26AM (#12958)
    User #2810 Info
    From WiReD [wired.com], and Declan McCullagh has, not surprisingly, the best coverage yet on CNET [com.com].-g
    [ Reply to This | Parent ]
    More on FOISA
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Wednesday February 11 2004, @11:45PM (#12968)
    User #2810 Info
    Rod Dixon opines at CircleID [circleid.com]. He doesn't like FOISA much either.

    Note to Editors, how about adding CircleID (which speaks XML) to the right column? -g

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