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    Get your name.name domain
    by WIPOorgUK on Sunday January 18 2004, @02:48PM (#12870)
    User #3146 Info | http://wipo.org.uk/
    The Register says:

    "UK company Global Name Registry has opened up the global top-level domain to second-level addresses, so you no longer need be restricted to john.smith.name, you can get johnsmith.name or just smith.name."


    Is there something not forgotten?

    I have skilful.com SLD - all third level domains are mine e.g. very.skilful.com etc.

    Somebody has john.smith.name - surely, anybody getting smith.name has control of the third level domains.

    Are they all dumb - or have I missed something?

    Or are they committing fraud - selling a car without any engine or gearbox?

    From gnr.name FAQ [quote]:

    How do the third level and second levels interact? Is this a complicated rule for Registrars to implement.

    It is actually very simple and no rules governing availability should need to be implemented on the Registrars side. Availability checks through the Registry will work extremely simply for a Registrar. For a registrar registering a domain, the .name space has four "kinds" of objects:

    1. Available third level domains and email addresses (e.g. john.smith.name and john@smith.name)

    2. Unavailable third level domains and email addresses

    3. Available second level domains (e.g. abc.name)

    4. Unavailable second level domains

    This is extremely simple and straightforward on the Registrar's side and domain registrations on the third or second levels can be done independently of each other.

    [end quote]

    This is like selling CRIPPLEWARE and passing it off as the real thing.

    The MASSIVE loss of functionality (email and domain management) of .name SLD makes calling it an SLD to be a joke.

    It seems a big con to me. Somebody getting smith.name may think they have the right to john@smith.name - when it could have already gone.

    Could any of the wiser forum members please explain how it conforms to SLD ownership as is generally understood (other than the pretence of outward appearance).
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    You missed something.
    by Undecided on Sunday January 18 2004, @08:13PM (#12871)
    User #3285 Info
    You have greatly misunderstood what they're saying there. The sentence "domain registrations on the third or second levels can be done independently of each other" means that registrars can choose to offer second-level registrations without offering third-level registrations, or vice versa. It doesn't mean that second-level and third-level domains can be registered at the same time. Farther down in the FAQ is says this explicitly:

    A second level domain is available if a) it is not already registered, and b) it does not conflict with a Premium Defensive Registration or a Standard Defensive Registration registered prior to the second level opening, and c) it is not already in use for a third level domain registration/email

    Therefore, if john.smith.name (and/or john@smith.name) is registered, then the second-level smith.name is unavailable for registration. (The page www.smith.name will, just as it always has, default to an advertisment for .name -- an advertisement that pitches third-level domains.) Likewise, if smith.name was available, registering it would block the future registration of third-level *.smith.names.

    There is no way to register a "crippleware" smith.name. Rather, what's happening is the partition of .name into two sets of names -- the "shared .names" (which are only available as third-level domains) and the "exclusive .names" (where somebody has grabbed the second-level, and effectively locked out other users with the same name).

    Which is probably even more confusing than how .name is organized now. That's life on the Internet, I guess.

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