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    Re:why should domain owners go away?
    by Undecided on Tuesday January 13 2004, @08:39PM (#12843)
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    There is a reason: The ccTLD list is based on the ISO abbreviations list, and the ISO recycles old abbreviations. If the two lists aren't kept in sync, there will a conflict at some point. IANA doesn't want to deal with two countries arguing about who gets to be "nu" (for example).

    IANA has deleted ccTLDs before (most recently, .zr, when Zaire became the Democratic Republic of Congo and requested a new abbreviation from the ISO). They let ISO make the political decisions for them because it's easier. (IANA doesn't want to be involved in constant political bickering over who deserves which TLD. Can you blame them?)

    Still, .nu is in no real danger. Even in the New Zealand government takes over, the ISO will leave the abbreviation alone. Niue is geographically isolated enough to rate its own abbreviation.
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    Re:why should domain owners go away? by Undecided
    Re:why should domain owners go away?
    by dmehus on Tuesday January 13 2004, @10:21PM (#12844)
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    Well said.

    However, if it were allowed to remain, it should be established as a generic Top-Level Domain in which open, competitive bidding for its management be installed. I'm no legal expert by any stretch of the imagination, but it would seem to me if Niue is dissolved, then the country no longer exists and the contract between its former government and the administrator is null and void. In effect, .nu would no longer be a ccTLD.

    I'm not saying it should necessarily be removed, even if it were granted a temporary reprieve. However, it should not continue to have ccTLD status with the luxury of perpetuity. Establish it as a special sponsored gTLD (since it only has two letters and may conflict with a future ccTLD with the same characters), with a provision in the contract with whoever comes out as the winning party in the bidding process that clearly states the TLD may be deleted from the root in the event the ISO recycles that TLD and needs it for a new country down the road. Of course, even then, a suitable transition period should be established.

    Cheers,
    Doug
    Doug Mehus http://doug.mehus.info/ [mehus.info]
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    Re:Shame on the ISO
    by dmehus on Wednesday January 14 2004, @05:25PM (#12852)
    User #3626 Info | http://doug.mehus.info/
    Anonymous troll.

    It deserves no reply, but I'll say this quickly.

    When a corporation is dissolved, either through liquidation proceedings in a bankruptcy court or otherwise, any registered trademarks it had with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office will eventually be marked as "abandoned" or "expired". Such is the case of Communities.com when it became insolvent and filed for Chapter 7 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code in March 2001. Several months after its dissolution, its formerly registered trademarks for "Communities.com" and "The Palace" were marked as abandoned.

    The same holds true for ccTLDs. And as I've stated repeatedly, in the interests of stability, it would be best to continue that ccTLD's operation for several years, perhaps even five years if you feel it is necessary, but under IANA management since the former administrator will no longer have a mandate to run it.

    And to ensure IANA does not profit from the venture, any monies collected from registrations that were in processing at the time of dissolution of the country could go into a special fund -- to be divided evenly amongst registered 501(c)3 non-profit organizations dedicated to enhancing the Internet, such as the Internet Society or the like. Further, after all remaining registrations have been processed, IANA would then set a date for which it would be removed from the root. (Say, four years.) All registrations would be synced up to expire at that date, and anyone who had paid beyond that date, would receive a refund or the option to donate their refund cheque to the fund. IANA would also not permit new registrations at that time.

    Cheers,
    Doug
    Doug Mehus http://doug.mehus.info/ [mehus.info]
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    Re:Shame on the ISO
    by Undecided on Wednesday January 14 2004, @08:33PM (#12853)
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    If ISO causes a conflict by recycling an old abbreviation, then shame on the ISO.

    Like it not, they're the ISO's abbreviations. ISO policies concerning the abbreviations have to represent what's in the best interests of the ISO and its members, not third parties (like IANA, Niue, and domain registrants) who happen to borrow the standard.

    Asserting that the ISO has done something wrong by not letting outside interests hijack its precedures is ridiculous. Respectable standards bodies can't function like that.

    Where is it written that a ccTLD must be tied to a piece of land for it to be valid?

    It's strongly implied by the term "ccTLD", but if you're truly so daft as to need a references, try RFC 1591 [ietf.org] and On IANA's web site [iana.org].

    I doubt any amount of whinging will make the ISO or IANA budge on this one. IANA is going to keep the ccTLD list tied to ISO 3166-1 because its easy (for IANA) and gives all the countries, territories, and odd little islands of the world an equal opportunity for a predictably-named domain.
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