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    Re: ICANN silent on new gTLD evaluations
    by Anonymous on Wednesday August 28 2002, @02:23AM (#8741)
    >>If we are to participate as a community in the future development of the DNS, then the much-publicised "Proof of Concept" processes need to be wholly open and fully disclosed.<<

    Unfortunately, it seems we are NOT to participate as a community in the future development of the DNS, unless ICANN is disbanded then reconstructed from the ground up.

    Richard Henderson, as usual, is right on the mark here.

    We've all been betrayed by ICANN, including some large-scale trademark holders! Yes, even some major corporations, for whose benefit the Sunrise Period was jammed down our throats, also got screwed by that very system.

    With all the domain name theft and attempted theft by Afilias board members (i.e. Govinda Leopold, Moshe Fogel), it is no surprise to learn the Afilias ship is sinking. What we don't yet know is what the Ken Stubbs payoff amounted to.

    Is Nancy Victory uninformed to the extent of allowing this fiasco to perpetuate indefinately? Nancy, are you reading here?
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    Even ICANN's own Evaluation Task Force hasn't seen
    by Richard_Henderson on Sunday September 01 2002, @05:08AM (#8870)
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    Why hasn't the NTEPPTF had access to the "Proof of Concept Evaluation reports" which had to be submitted by Afilias, in accordance with Appendix U of the .info Agreement with ICANN?

    This task force was specifically set up by the Board to Evaluate the New TLDs. How can it have done so without access to the vital data?

    Has this data been fully submitted by Afilias?

    Where is it?

    Why hasn't it been provided, even to the Task Force set up to evaluate it? I have had it confirmed to me by members of this Task Force that these documents have not been provided to them.

    Will Stuart Lynn now please confirm that all the documents have been properly submitted, and will the NTEPPTF please now reconvene and submit a revised report based on this data?

    And will the ICANN Board please make this data available for others too, as specifically allowed under the terms of Appendix U?

    What is the point of a "proof of concept" or an evaluation process if you withhold the vital data from the Registries involved?

    It makes it seem like the Board wants to "go through the motions" without having to address all the details.

    Richard Henderson

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    Re: ICANN silent on new gTLD evaluations
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Sunday September 01 2002, @04:23PM (#8899)
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    Vint Cerf has now responded to Richard Henderson, stating in full (other than quotes and salutations):
    my understanding is that at least some, if not all, reports have been received but some contain proprietary information. Before these reports can be released in public form, they have to be redacted to preserve the confidentiality of proprietary data. Staff has simply been busy with other work so this is still on the task queue.
    This seems like a great non-answer, which to me is an increasingly common problem with recent 'answers' from Vint Cerf, and which his busy staff seem happy to let him write.

    First, what are 'some'? Are they all that are required? If so, fine, but why not say so? If not, why not? Other than annual reports, all material was supposed to be reported within a range of 90 to 180 days, those periods are now well past for at least .biz and .info.

    Second, under 11. Confidentiality, the range of time that such information would be kept confidential was for a period of none at all ranging to 18 months. Surely some of these time restrictions are now well past. Simply saying that the staff is busy with other things is not acceptable. What other things? Who prioritized those other things as being more important tasks? Where are the minutes showing that the Board has made such a decision, or even that the staff has told (not asked, because that's not the way ICANN works) them that such a decision has been made? In short, where is this task queue? Vint? Staff?

    Third, 11. Confidentiality contains a table laying out which parts of which reports will be made available when. It isn't up to staff, nor should they have to, go through and redact anything. If a report from registry A states that section so and so is in answer to such and such a question, how hard is it to maintain a flat database that flags whether or not that is due for release under the rules? If no ICANN staff is competent to construct such in a couple of hours then can them and hire any of thousands who could.

    This isn't just a non-answer, it is misleading. I'm not accusing Vint of being deliberately misleading, the staff no doubt tells him this stuff and he just passes it on. Witness the cc's of the letter, do you think any of them will contradict him? And a few months down the road, after they have passed the hurdle of keeping the USG asleep, or after they have morphed into some other entity which can't be held accountable, we'll find out that this is a complete mess. What a scam, it's all smoke and mirrors. -g

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