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    Re: An Idealistic Take on .org Policy
    by Anonymous on Monday August 26 2002, @08:16PM (#8721)
    Let's see, a 10 million name zone file occupies about $2 worth of disk space ($4 if we use RAID to improve damage immunity). On a per-name basis, that's vanishing small, even if you add the cost of backup and archival systems.

    And one does hope that once loaded that the search of the zone database uses an efficient technique - even BIND can return responses in 10s to 100's of microseconds from a multi-tens-of-millions name zone on everyday computers.

    The cost of confirming that a name is still desired could be as low as an e-mail to the various contacts asking for a reply that will serve as a continuation.

    With techniques like that, a few cents per year per name - lets say 10 cents - would bring in millions of dollars per year from something like .com. That's plenty to cover the costs operational costs if the egregious expense of today's billing systems are avoided.

    At 10cents per year it makes sense to simply bill up-front when the name is first taken out - Most of us could afford the $10 to get a 100 year registration.
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    Re: An Idealistic Take on .org Policy by Anonymous
    Re: An Idealistic Take on .org Policy
    by PeterBarron (pebarron@hotmail.com) on Monday August 26 2002, @08:27PM (#8724)
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    Your oversimplification borders on the absurd.

    Certainly the cost can be brought down to the $1 or $2 range in the model in which we are forced to operate today.

    Ten cents per name, especially for new registries who don't have 10 million names, doesn't even pay the electricity. You omit bandwidth, multiple data centres, zone escrow, and all of the other bells and whistles that ICANN considers necessary.

    Anonymous analysis, worth precisely what was paid for it.

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    Re: An Idealistic Take on .org Policy
    by Hendrik on Tuesday August 27 2002, @11:27AM (#8734)
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    A 20 million name zone file is to be held in memory in the DNS-rootserver to achieve the millisecond performance under a load of several thousands queries per second. The memory necessary is more than 2 GB of DRAM. This surpasses standard the limits of 32 bit operating systems.
    This means: you can not operate with a standard SUN Sparc server anymore.

    The computer systems that were needed for the registry of .com, .net and .org were 64 bit multi-processor machines which costed around 15 million US$. This has been released in the first quarter of 2000 when (then) NSI had to purchase such a machine (from IBM and at that price point).

    As with all computing infrastructure it is well known that IT operations of a major system is running at 2 to 3 time the initial installation costs of the hardware. In that case you are quite efficient. The total cost of ownership of a PC per year typically runs at 3 to 5 times its purchase cost. But in that case non-professionals are operating the machinery.

    It will be a world class job if Verisign is able to perform the registry infrastructure and the A-root server at a price level of 20 million dollar a year. The claim that it can be operated at US$0.25 per year assumes a total cost of ownership of 5 to 6 million a year for the whole registry service (e.g. staff, electricity, datacentre space, depreciation and amortisation). From the US$15 million registry machinery itself it is easily derived that a decent write of in 3 years is already sufficient to the necessity to raise US$5 million a year.

    The simplistic idea that hard disks are the main cost driver of DNS-registry services shows a thorough lack of understanding of the cost factors in professional computing services. That era has passed away at the end of the eighties.

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