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    Sign me confused
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Tuesday April 22 2003, @11:26AM (#11513)
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    On the one hand we have some, including myself (and including Karl if I'm not mistaken), pointing out that ICANN's proper duties used to be done by a very few individuals (mostly Jon Postel) on a part-time, and usually unpaid basis. This is often given as a counterpoint to the current situation of an ever more bloated bureaucracy. On the other hand it is now being suggested by Karl that we add to the considerable current staff numbers and costs (and perhaps problems) by paying more people, either directors or staff, even more to oversee the unoverseeable. So which is it?

    Presumably this makework project for those with connections would then in no time at all need yet another level of overseers ad infinitum. Entrusting (and paying) Dave Crocker (or equivalent) to oversee Kent Crispin (or equivalent) strikes me as a Very Very Bad Idea. -g

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    Re:Sign me confused
    by KarlAuerbach on Tuesday April 22 2003, @04:25PM (#11515)
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    The *only* means of public oversight/accountability over ICANN is through ICANN's Board of Directors. This is why there is so much brouhaha over how Directors are picked.

    Yet, the Directors individually and the Board collectively are weak vis-a-vis ICANN's professional, full-time, paid staff. This means that directors and the board are usually at the mercy of "staff".

    I figure that if Directors were granted a Director's fee of somewhere on the order of $50,000 each - about $700,000 total for 14 directors (ICANN's president doesn't need this fee) that it would remove the need for a goodly chunk of existing ICANN "staff".

    ICANN needs to break the dominance of its "staff" - and if that requires creating a counter-staff that works for the Directors rather than vice versa, then I feel that that would be a good thing.
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    Re:Sign me confused
    by KarlAuerbach on Wednesday April 23 2003, @03:27PM (#11522)
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    Take a look at the total work done under the IANA label as listed in ICANN's status reports to NTIA.

    That work consists of a few hundred repetitions of a cycle that consists of:

        - Open the big book of numbers.
        - Add one
        - Write down the result in the big book of numbers
        - Close the big book of numbers

    In general this is a couple of minutes per cycle. Which totals up to perhaps a few thousand minutes per month - in other words less than a single full-time employee's worth of work.

    ICANN/IANA spends a lot of time on ccTLD ownership questions - ICANN/IANA's staff likes to play Queen Victoria and King Leopold. But that's a political job having nothing to do with the technical stability of the net.
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    Re:Sign me confused
    by Mueller ({mueller} {at} {syr.edu}) on Thursday April 24 2003, @01:11PM (#11529)
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    I agree emphatically with this comment, however, what creates the additional work is not the "technical coordination" but the policy development, implementation and enforcement. When Postel was involved, that function was performed partly by him, partly by IETF/IAB, and partly (and largely overlooked) by NSF, the Federal Networking Council, and indirectly U.S. Congress (funding, anyone?).
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    Re:Sign me confused
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Friday April 25 2003, @10:08AM (#11531)
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    Of course it takes more than Jon Postel to manage what is properly within ICANN's purview, but how did the tasks that were once done almost adequately only a few years ago suddenly require this [icann.org] many people? And they can't even manage many of the basic tasks like updating their website(s) or ratifying their minutes in a timely manner. That is no myth. -g
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