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    Re:Unlimited TLDs
    by PeterBarron (pebarron@hotmail.com) on Monday April 07 2003, @09:31AM (#11456)
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    If a registry requires servers across the world, and you take the current registries as the minimum acceptable level of technical ability, then I sincerely doubt that you, Karl, would spend the money for the infrastructure, much less the maintenance.

    Your argument presumes that you can run a registry with a single server in your basement. You cannot.

    Even 5000 TLDs is insignificant.

    ++Peter
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    Re:Unlimited TLDs by PeterBarron
    Re:Unlimited TLDs
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Monday April 07 2003, @01:16PM (#11458)
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    Karl said explicitly that he was not talking about a single server in a basement. Your un-named employer's assumption that it takes six figures per year to maintain a registry is not borne out by the facts, including scores of real world examples amongst existing ccTLDs. -g
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    Re:Unlimited TLDs
    by KarlAuerbach on Monday April 07 2003, @03:16PM (#11459)
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    One only needs mongo/expensive hardware if one runs a big zone with a lot of names and a lot of queries. That's unlikely for new TLDs unless they encourage trademark stampeeds - a technique that will become less and less useful as the number of TLDs grows.

    Right now I can serve all but the biggest of big zones using off-the shelf commodity hardware. (The box I'm using right now to type this is a 1RU dual 2.4ghz Xeon box with three PCI-64 gigabit interfaces, a honkin' lot of memory, and RAID on fast drives. It's on the order of $2500 per copy and it is overkill for the job of serving up the typical new TLD, particularly when it has a dozen or so siblings with whom it divides the load.)

    Co-lo space is cheap. The bigger cost is the bandwidth. And, until my zone's get huge and popular, the bandwidth cost is not likely to be particularly large or expensive.

    In other words, for new zones, particularly ones with a specialized clientelle, commodity hardware in commododity co-los will do the job. Dell 1RU servers for about $1000 a pop will do most zones quite nicely.

    But even if we accept your point, I priced out what it would cost to do an entirely new deployment of root servers. I worked it out with folks who do that sort of thing. I can't remember the numbers off hand, but it was actually only a few hundered K $ per year for 12 root server clusters, each with 10 distinct computers (running a diversity of operating systems) with front-end load balancers and back-end SSH-controlled UPS power. The big variable in the equation was the bandwidth cost. Much of that was non-recurring expenses, such as shipping the equipment to the site.

    The bottom line is that the costs for setting up and running the name-server infrastructure are relatively small compared to the costs of periodic billing.

    One of the interesting bits of mis-information that is spread by ICANN is that the domain name price has "fallen" to $6. In reality that amount is a price floor. The prices could be, and I assert that they would be, much lower if ICANN were to remove the 10 year limitation on registrations (does anybody remember when/where that came from?) and to add incentives to the ICANN-registry contracts to drive down the $6 price rather than lock it into stone.
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