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    Nonsense!
    by alexander on Friday August 23 2002, @01:42AM (#8667)
    User #22 Info | http://www.icannchannel.de
    Judith and Joanna are spreading FUD. Some people -- and it seems like Judith and Joanna are joining them -- are portraying everyone who not blindly oppose everything coming from ICANN as the Dark Side.

    Judith writes: "Bret didn't have a hand in the report except to help hand-select the people who wrote it." -- nonsense. ERC asked Esther and Denise, Esther and Denise asked on the ALOC list and invited several people.

    Joanna writes: "So given that Bret sits on the ERC (...)" -- nonsense again. Bret is not an ERC member, he is one of eight members of an assistance group writing a report on gTLD policy development. Even if Bret was a member of the ERC, this "participation in the selection" approach is silly -- the ERC did not choose or appoint the ALAC-AG members except for Denise and Esther.

    I hope that both of you apologize.
    / Alexander
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    Nonsense! by alexander
    me thinks thou doth protest too much
    by joppenheimer on Friday August 23 2002, @05:37AM (#8673)
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    Alexander, don't split hairs with me - the most conservative among us are all by now familiar with ICANN's committee-upon-committee-until-it-gets-what-it-wants tactics.

    (see http://www.cpsr.org/internetdemocracy/cyber-fed/Number_14.html. )

    Bottom line, its the information posted which is at issue here, not Bret.

    The title of the posting alone is grossly misleading: "Exclusion by Confusion"; the premise as well: "The best way to assure inclusion is to derive systems that are easy for those governed to understand. ICANN is already too complex in its practices to admit informed participation."

    Are we somehow to believe that an exclusionary system dumbed down for the governed to understand, magically becomes inclusionary?

    That if we are adequately informed about the manner in which we are excluded, or if the manner in which we are excluded appears to be less "complex" in its processes, we then have "inclusion" and "informed participation"?

    That appears to be Bret's contention ("It's the new structure proposed for an At Large Advisory Committee.") And its just plain Orwellian.

    We are not excluded because we're [presumed to be] confused.

    We are not excluded because ICANN's systems are complex.

    We are excluded because we've been excluded!

    Judith

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    Joining the dots
    by joannalane on Friday August 23 2002, @04:57PM (#8688)
    User #2769 Info
    The ERC itself says....

    http://www.icann.org/committees/evol-reform/status-report-15jul02.htm

    "There is much work to do, and little time in which to get it done. As a result, the ERC will from time to time ask for particular assistance in filling out the details of the Blueprint for Reform." ........

    Then the ERC created the NPD (Names Policy Development Assistance Group). This is considered as part of the ERC, not least by ICANN, who gave it a URL as a subset of the ERC. .... http://www.icann.org/committees/evol-reform/npdpag-report-21aug02.htm.
    .... The NPD said....

    "Our recommendations are the result of input obtained from a number of individuals - Rita A. Rodin (chair), Marilyn Cade, Guillermo Carey, Caroline Chicoine, Bret Fausett, Jeff Neuman, Bruce Tonkin, and Philip Sheppard. Each of us has a long history of involvement with ICANN and its current DNSO policy development processes. We also have a variety of backgrounds and perspectives on policy
    development. In addition, Hans Kraaijenbrink and Joe Sims participated in our deliberations."

    Speaking on behalf of the NPD, Bret Fausett himself said....

    http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc10/msg03359.html

    "The advisory group was asked to assist the ERC in drafting certain implementation detail for the Blueprint for Reform. There shouldn't be any great surprises in what we're doing."

    Well no, there isn't, but I'd just like the less well informed to be clear about the relationship bwteen the author of this so-called independent article and ICANN's ERC, whose agenda is to implement the Lynn Plan regardless of community opposition.

    Regards,
    Joanna




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