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    by Anonymous on Tuesday February 11 2003, @08:58PM (#11146)
    And of course Ole and the Crock are total strangers [google.com].
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    IPJ's response
    by tbyfield (reversethis-{moc.xinap} {ta} {dleifybt}) on Wednesday February 12 2003, @09:47AM (#11151)
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    more than merely missing the point, the IPJ's response is flatly disingenuous. and if, indeed, 'the review went through many drafts and was seen by many people before it went into print,' then the IPJ's editors are either partisans or incompetents, take your pick.

    it's certainly possible to rip mueller's book to shreds on material grounds; this can be done to any book. but that's not what crocker did. on the contrary, he proceeded by decking out his argument by assertion with nano-level nitpicking, and finished it off with something perilously close to slander. as a book review, it's -- to use a term of art -- a worthless piece of shit. (imo, naturally.)

    on the one hand, the IPJer claims that the review 'was seen by many people'; on the other, he dismisses it as a 'personal opinion.' so does the IPJ really rquire 'many' people to approve 'personal opinions'? or is the IPJer assembling a little fortress of cards out of cant and pietisms?

    furthermore, waiting for a complaint before inviting an alternative view would seem to be similarly lazy, at best; and saying s/he'd 'consider' it is downight hilarious -- after crocker squatted on the IPJ's pages, i'd love to see what the journal's criteria are for rejection.
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    IW & IPJ - the pot calling the kettle black
    by Anonymous on Wednesday February 12 2003, @01:43PM (#11153)
    Thanks for bringing Dave Crocker's excellent book review to our attention. Sounds like ICANN Watch writers can dish it out, but they can't take it! That ICANN Watch writers -- with their long history of ad hominem, grossly self-serving attacks against ICANN -- have the audacity to complain about a factual, critical review of Mueller's book marks a new low for IW. But, I must say, I keep checking your website just to see what new ways you've come up with to embarass yourselves. Thanks for the entertainment.
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    hooptedoodle?
    by Anonymous on Wednesday February 19 2003, @07:11AM (#11191)
    Hmmm ... this whole thing seems a bit blown out of proportion. Dave Crocker is a unique individual with unique opinions. Dave, like a bunch of other people, have contributed to the IPJ over the years. I wouldn't tar a newspaper over a cranky columnist, and Crocker's review should be attacked on it's own merits instead of trying to use it as some form of institutional allegory that reflects on the IPJ. I may not agree with Ole on everything, but he runs a useful source of articles and reviews on nuts-and-bolts protocol issues, a niche in the word-manufacturing empire that is the Internet that is not filled by anybody else. Carl Malamud
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