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    Re: False registration contact information would b
    by Anonymous on Monday May 06 2002, @02:54AM (#6147)
    This committee has been looking at false contact information for quite a while. The plan to add criminal penalties for false contact info in whois will likely be changed, when the reps realize that money damages is probably the better way to go. At any rate, this is obviously going to be a difficult measure to enforce. Congress could do everyone a favor by requiring the deletion on registrations with clear false contact info.
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    Re: False registration contact information would b
    by Anonymous on Monday May 06 2002, @03:22AM (#6148)
    Now that Congress tried to take measures to penalize the false registration , why they did not try to do something to protect the privacy of the registrants. We all know Networksolutions.com has knowingly sold the registration information to others for some years now.

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    Re: False registration contact information would b
    by Anonymous on Monday May 06 2002, @04:36AM (#6150)
    Well then, I guess the county jails will be full of inmates with the name "Domain Name For Sale".

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    Re: False registration contact information would b
    by Anonymous on Monday May 06 2002, @04:59AM (#6153)
    This is unenforceable - what's to stop someone from going overseas - nobody SAYS you MUST use com/org/net/us or other US-based TLD.......more fluff in the name of homeland security.
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    Re: False registration contact information would b
    by Anonymous on Monday May 06 2002, @06:27AM (#6157)
    Why should phoney whois info be so important, when there are companies out there selling pretend domains?
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    Re: The need for integrity in registration details
    by Richard_Henderson on Monday May 06 2002, @07:09AM (#6159)
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    Re: freedom is the treasure of the United States
    by Anonymous on Monday May 06 2002, @03:25PM (#6164)
    In the U.S., people enjoy the constitutional right to free speech. Likewise, in my understanding, people have the right not to tell you the truth. While you may get in trouble when you tell lies to federal agents when they are doing their duty, it is overwelcomingly disturbing that a law would penalize the persons that tell lies to a domain registration company, which is not a federal agency or agent at all. Maybe in the future, we need a law to penalize all the liars based on the priciple the honorable reps make their law. Former president Clinton might have deserved life sentence for his lies! Probably 100% people should kill some time in jail because of the lies they ever tell whoever or whatever.

    It seems to me the proposed law intends to get those that would do harm to the public interest. It's a good intention. However, not all the "liars" are the bad guys. Lots of them might just use the way to protect their privacy. Their inaccurate or false information would not impose any harm to the public. The only loss may be that of the networksolutions.com kind of business that depends on selling the registrant information for a living.

    Just a thought.
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    Re: False registration contact information would b
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Tuesday May 07 2002, @09:05AM (#6175)
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    I fail to see why WHOIS data needs to be public. As long as it remains so, if I want privacy I must either use someone else willing to act as a go-between (and this normally costs money), or lie. I should not have to do either. I have a right to privacy that I don't think should be trumped by others' rights to my data. And now if this law goes through, I may have to act criminally just to protect my privacy.

    This isn't about giving law enforcement access to accurate information if someone is using a domain name to commit a crime. Criminals will continue to give false information because they are already acting against the law, breaking another law will be no big deal. Alternatively, they can use someone else as the go-between who cannot identify them, such services already exist online. To the extent that law enforcement believes it can track down the party involved in criminal acts via a domain name, it should have to get a court order to access the data.

    I have yet to hear a compelling argument for why WHOIS data needs to be public. I don't even think there needs to be a published email contact address. Spammers or others can still try *@that.domain. If the data is held in private by the registrar, they can give it up if ordered to do so by a court order. Likewise, if the domain name is the subject of a UDRP proceeding, the data could be made available by the registrar at the request of the panel.

    One site I am involved with works to oppose hate groups. Most of its principals live in Canada. Two of them have had their automobiles torched, one has had their house firebombed. Death threats are common. None of this was due to WHOIS data, some of the principals also act in opposition to hate groups in the real world and can be found if someone is determined enough. But none of the principals are easy to find, for their own safety. Though they have telephones you won't find them in a telephone book, for example. Many criminals presumably also have telephones, should there therefore be a law that everyone must publicly list their telephone number and street address?

    If entering accurate WHOIS data can put one at risk in one of the most peaceful countries in the world, one can easily see that those involved with sites taking controversial stands elsewhere in the world could be put in harm's way through such a law. I am actually unclear on what this law might mean internationally. If I am in the US and register a .co.uk domain and give false WHOIS data, is that a crime? While I am in Canada I have lived and travelled extensively in the US. Do I become a criminal only when I cross the border because I've given false WHOIS data for an .org domain? What about a .ca domain? As the root resides in the US, does this become a de facto global law? And BTW, here is an article about another US Bill, the "Truth in Domain Names Act," which would make it a crime to use a misleading Web site name to trick minors into visiting pornographic Web sites. While I have argued that something should be done about this, I am unclear how a US law can/will be used internationally.

    I am less optimistic about the WHOIS Bill than Bret Fausett seems to be. Isn't entering fraudulent data an attempt to defraud by definition? A kiddie porn site, for example, may not be operating to monetarily defraud anyone. Does that mean this law couldn't be used against them?

    This isn't about law enforcement though, they already have powers to, for example, get info from registrars regarding the credit card used to register a name, which is less likely to be bogus than WHOIS data, and will probably remain so even if this law is passed. This is a law by and for the Intellectual Property folks. I don't think property rights of any kind should trump the right to privacy, and even the right to be free from physical harm. -g

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